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November 13, 2008 at 12:27 am #203724
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GuestLike many Mormons who are struggling to remain active, I am a DNA Mormon–descended on both sides from good pioneer stock. I grew up in Provo and served a mission. In the quarter century since then, however, I have moved around a bit, and I’ve had a lot of life experiences. Some have resulted in a deeper testimony of the Gospel. But, paradoxically, I have also had several very negative experiences that have soured my relationship with the Church–institutionally speaking. I have also had profoundly negative personal experiences with two of the men currently serving in the quorum of the 12. Obviously, I am in a difficult place spiritually. I can’t just walk away from the Gospel, as I have had too many powerful spiritual experiences that have revealed the truthfulness of the Gospel to me, but neither can I stand idly by and accept a lot of the real abuse, authoritarianism, and the lack of total honesty that I see in church leadership styles currently. November 13, 2008 at 2:25 am #213873Anonymous
GuestOne thing I like to remember is that the church belongs to all of us as members, not just to the leaders. I’m just as much a Mormon as anyone else in the church. That sounds like “fighting words,” yet it’s not. I just think that like all human organizations, some people think they own the place. I also think that’s part of the wisdom in having 15 at the top level: 3 FP and 12 Apostles. It has (to an extent) a leveling influence. One style can’t dominate too much without being tempered a little by the other styles.
November 13, 2008 at 3:20 am #213874Anonymous
GuestWelcome Shederlaomach! I too have great hopes for this forum, glad you found us. I think we all see something valuable in the church, something that we don’t want to dismiss entirely – whatever that may be. Most of us have also felt a strain in our relationship with the church at some point, and are at different stages of repairing or ‘building a new relationship’ with the church (as Richard Bushman has referred to the process). I have great hopes that StayLDS will become a valuable resource for anyone who can relate to this experience and has a common desire. Again, welcome! I look forward to hearing more from you.
November 14, 2008 at 6:47 am #213875Anonymous
GuestThanks to both of you for extending me such a warm welcome. I agree that this church is ours. In fact, one story that really resonates with me is the one where Bishop Woolley had a problem with Brigham Young. Young chastised Woolley publicly and then suggested that he might go off and apostatize like so many others have done. Edwin Woolley replied “No, I won’t. If this were your church I might, but it’s just as much mine as it is yours.” Still, it is often very hard to remain strong in an organization that often seems to have no desire to have people like me in it. One thing I really miss is having kindred spirits I can discuss my concerns and trials with. I hope this forum will become a haven for people like me.
Again, thanks for kind acceptance you have shown. I look forward to getting to know you all in the coming weeks.
November 14, 2008 at 2:58 pm #213876Anonymous
GuestHi Shederlaomach! Welcome to the community.
I really liked this story you quoted below. I will have to remember it. I want to feel like that.
Shederlaomach wrote:Young chastised Woolley publicly and then suggested that he might go off and apostatize like so many others have done. Edwin Woolley replied “No, I won’t. If this were your church I might, but it’s just as much mine as it is yours.”
November 14, 2008 at 5:47 pm #213877Anonymous
GuestThat’s going into my file of great stories, along with the David O. McKay drinking Coke story. I hadn’t heard that one before. November 15, 2008 at 3:45 am #213878Anonymous
GuestMy father said something once when I was very young that burned into my soul:
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This is my church. Nobody and nothing can take it away from me. It’s mine.He was not an educated man by any stretch of the imagination, but he was a very wise, good man. I hope this forum strengthens that feeling in all who participate.
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