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February 2, 2009 at 6:17 am #203837
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GuestBack on my mission 20 or so years ago, I found myself reading about the Pearl of Great Price. I can’t remember where. I wrote to my father mentioning the problem of the figures actually being part of a funerary text, and not Abraham on an altar. My father wrote back that while the Joseph Smith story of the provenance of the Book of Abraham seemed to be a fabrication, the doctrines revealed in Abraham are some of the most valuable in the church. I was bothered by the deception, but was able to overlook the lie because of many of the great experiences I had on my mission. But when I read about Todd Compton’s work (in sacred loneliness) I began to search for more information about the Nauvoo period. I read the one issue of the Nauvoo Expositor, and discovered that the allegations the Law brothers made were pretty much true. The Expositor was not full of lies. I read about the Kirtland period and the Fanny Alger (filthy nasty) affair. I wondered why Joseph and Oliver were tarred and feathered, and I found some answers. I also read up on Joseph’s activities involving treasure digging. There’s more. There’s all the outrageous things Brigham Young said. Blacks in the priesthood, women holding the priesthood, and then not. Mountain Meadows. The Kinderhook plates….
A few years ago I was an elders quorum president, when during a PPI with my high councilman, I expressed some of my concerns about Joseph Smith, polygamy, polyandry, and lying about the practice. He stopped me, and with a stern voice he told me, “I know that Joseph Smith never committed any serious sins.” I thought, how can you know a lack of something? I said to him aren’t we searching for truth, no matter where we find it or how it looks? The conversation ended. He never spoke to me about it again, and I was released soon thereafter, but I believe it was not related to our conversation. My three years were up.
I am now just cruising along in the ward. My wife knows of my concerns. She shares some of them. My faith has become much more complicated than before, but I feel freer than I ever have. I rely on my own reason. I take a deist approach to belief at times. But reason rules the day. I question the church’s official version of everything. I do not trust any official declarations of doctrine or history until I have verified it from a reliable independent source.
But I still attend. I teach lessons in my current calling, but have stopped commenting in gospel doctrine. I wonder when we can get to the meat. The milk no longer satisfies me.
February 2, 2009 at 8:24 am #215210Anonymous
GuestBuscador, it’s good to see you here. I think you’ll find that we understand what you’ve written. Fwiw, here’s my quick, initial response: First, it’s sad when someone at that level is that wrong. Joseph himself and the Lord (speaking in the D&C) don’t agree with him.
Second, I don’t expect “meat” at church – so I’m rarely disappointed and sometimes wonderfully surprised (more often than I anticipate, but I live in a wonderful ward). I get my meat myself outside of church, and I spoon feed a little tenderized meat at church whenever it feels right. (I find there are more members who do the same than most people realize.) I also try to add some sugar when the herbal tea is too bitter, but mostly I focus on lightening loads any way I can when I’m there.
February 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm #215211Anonymous
GuestHi Buscador, Thanks for introducing yourself and welcome to the forums. I look forward to hearing more from you. I hope you find this place to be more open to discussion, in a positive way, than your encounter trying to talk with your high councilman. You probably know by now that few people, if any, in your local community are comfortable talking about this stuff. That includes leaders. We won’t try to cast Satan out of your for thinking too hard about Church history
Buscador wrote:I wondered why Joseph and Oliver were tarred and feathered, and I found some answers.
Yeah … that was like a lightbulb turning on over my head. Ah ha! Those stories of persecution make so much more logical sense after you dig in and find out the troubling side of the story. There is no justification for violence like it happened. Let’s make that clear. But people in Kirtland, Missouri and Nauvoo got mad at Joseph and the Church for logical reasons. It makes so much more sense to me now.Buscador wrote:My faith has become much more complicated than before, but I feel freer than I ever have.
Thanks for sharing that Buscador. That sounds hopeful. I feel that way too. I feel like I enjoy Church a lot more now that *I* own what I believe (or don’t believe). It is much more complicated, but it is mine and I am free.
February 2, 2009 at 1:29 pm #215212Anonymous
GuestThe idea of enjoying church more because you want to dig more into it is something I had not considered before This is a bit of a revelation to me
THat I dont have to feel conflicted because I want to get deeper into it
Strange but comforting
February 2, 2009 at 9:40 pm #215213Anonymous
GuestWelcome Buscador, I’m glad you found us! Hopefully together we can savor some of that meat. February 3, 2009 at 12:25 am #215214Anonymous
GuestThanks for the kind words, all. I am relieved to find a place where there can be some open discussions but not with the negativity. Over the past few days I have enjoyed listening to the interviews John Dehlin did on Mormon Stories. Why was the website ‘retired’? Was someone at HQ bent out of shape over it?
I am all about looking for truth wherever I can find it, even if it’s unsavory.
February 3, 2009 at 2:14 am #215215Anonymous
GuestJohn simply took it down for personal reasons. I’m glad it’s available here. -
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