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    How important are callings in the Church?

    It has been mentioned in another thread how the Church can take up every second of your daily life and I think Callings are probably one of the most important factors of this. Is it expected of you to accept a calling? have you ever turned one down? can you choose not to have callings at all? or can you be excommunicated or be treated differently because of this? Are they supposed to be divinely inspired or do the leaders just choose who should do what? Many critics say it is a way of controlling members, making them devote more time to the Church and therefore having less time to interact with non-members who may have other influences (to be honest, of one who is heavily influenced by non-members I can kind of understand the concern)? What if someone who has a full-time job for example if they are successful business people?

    Thanks for your input in advance!

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    NotSure2008 wrote:

    How important are callings in the Church?

    I think they are very important for people and for the Church. We are almost entirely a lay ministry church. If the members don’t do it, nothing happens. So there is a practical level to consider on this topic. We don’t have paid clergy on the local level, and quite a ways up the hierarchy.

    NotSure2008 wrote:

    It has been mentioned in another thread how the Church can take up every second of your daily life and I think Callings are probably one of the most important factors of this. Is it expected of you to accept a calling? have you ever turned one down? can you choose not to have callings at all? or can you be excommunicated or be treated differently because of this?

    The Church involves everyone it can in local congregations. Pretty much everyone has at least some small job (aka a “calling”). Some people have more than one job. I am a boy scout leader on Wed nights, and I also teach the Elder’s Quorum once a month on Sunday. I have turned down callings. I don’t do some other things like Home Teaching. Is it easy to say no? I think that depends more on out individual personalities. Nobody gets kicked out or excommunicated for not doing enough jobs. It is a community engaged in religous work, so it might be a little awkward if someone didn’t do anything to be involved. Our church believes in having every member personally involved. That is part of the mormon experience.

    NotSure2008 wrote:

    Are they supposed to be divinely inspired or do the leaders just choose who should do what?

    To be honest, some (many? I don’t know) members see callings as a divine revelation and duty handed down through revelation and priesthood authority. Yes, some members have been raised in families where they are taught to always accept callings. That isn’t offical church doctrine or anything. We do believe that leaders should seek guidance through prayer and the spirit in their own work and choosing people to serve within the organization. So my answer is yes and no to this. It is partly inspiration. IMO it also depends heavily on who is available and can get things done — inspiration by necessity :-)

    NotSure2008 wrote:

    Many critics say it is a way of controlling members, making them devote more time to the Church and therefore having less time to interact with non-members who may have other influences (to be honest, of one who is heavily influenced by non-members I can kind of understand the concern)? What if someone who has a full-time job for example if they are successful business people?

    Critics say a lot of things :-). I suppose someone could choose to see it like that. There are some people that get very involved in our Church. It does become a big part of their time. There are a lot more people who don’t approach it that way. I have a full-time job and a large family to take care of. I enjoy the two callings I have, and they fit into my schedule. My family comes first. I have to support them financially by working. I sometimes try to show up at home and remind them I am part of the family :-). Church comes after family in my priorities. That’s me.

    I have plenty of time to talk to “heathens,” lol. ;)

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    I think I will tackle this one question at a time, with the caveat that I believe deeply and passionately in the concept of callings. I believe the genius of the LDS Church is found most fundamentally in the fact that it is run locally by amateurs – since I think that is where the real communal growth occurs among the saints. (Opposition in all things being a true concept, it’s also why much of the pain and difficulty occurs, but . . .) I believe spirituality and righteousness need to be pursued individually outside the organization, but I believe strongly in the concept of building Zion – and that happens most directly through callings.

    With that foundation:

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    It has been mentioned in another thread how the Church can take up every second of your daily life and I think Callings are probably one of the most important factors of this.

    When callings take up every second of one’s life, they are requiring too much. Period. There should be a balance, and ignoring other things for callings isn’t a good balance. I know one family where some of the kids thought their dad loved dead people more than he loved them, simply because he spent so much time in the temple when they were young. That’s not the exact same as callings, but the principle is the same.

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    Is it expected of you to accept a calling?

    Yes, but not any particular calling. It’s expected that you will serve somehow, somewhere – so it is expected that you will hold some kind of calling.

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    have you ever turned one down?

    I haven’t, but I’ve never been asked to do something I haven’t been willing to do. I have told the Bishop on one occasion that I didn’t think I could do it very well – that I didn’t think I would enjoy it and probably wouldn’t be able to “magnify” it, but that I was willing to hold the position for a while until someone else could do so. He was grateful for my honesty.

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    can you choose not to have callings at all?

    Sure, but there are so many possibilities for callings and assignments that not being able to come up with one for someone who would be willing to do something is a basic failure of leadership, imo. There are myriad assignments in EQ, HPG or RS that can be given in lieu of a formal calling. I am fine with not doing anything as a temporary situation while someone gets other things in order, but as a long-term condition . . . I just can’t accept that, personally.

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    or can you be excommunicated or be treated differently because of this?

    There is no valid reason for excommunicating someone if they refuse to accept a calling. There is no valid reason for ANY disciplinary action for this. None. As far as being treated differently, humans are humans, so, unfortunately, some will treat others differently if they don’t accept a calling. On the flip side, I understand if a Bishop or other leader is hesitant to ask someone to accept a calling if s/he has turned down other requests in the past. After a while, they might assume the same answer and stop considering someone who has refused. That’s natural, even if it isn’t totally “right”.

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    Are they supposed to be divinely inspired or do the leaders just choose who should do what?

    Both. I’ve been involved in issuing enough callings to say without question that it is both. Some definitely are inspired; some are simply executive – a choice among multiple options; some are temporary measures to fill holes until inspiration occurs; some can be uninspired and wrong. The last case is fairly rare, ime, but sometimes there are uninspired leaders who make uninspired decisions – which is the single biggest reason why I don’t believe in blind acceptance. Ultimately, it is up to the person being asked to take responsibility for the response – not pawning it off on the one issuing the calling.

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    Many critics say it is a way of controlling members, making them devote more time to the Church and therefore having less time to interact with non-members who may have other influences (to be honest, of one who is heavily influenced by non-members I can kind of understand the concern)?

    Bluntly, I think that is intellectually understandable . . . garbage. The Church begs us to interact with those outside our faith – literally begs us to do that more. Local leaders are getting steady requests to streamline meetings and do everything possible to reduce the time commitment on the members. Time commitment can be overwhelming on the most active members, but there isn’t a nefarious motive behind it. Generally, it’s because not everyone is willing to serve – which is one of the reasons why I am adamantly opposed to an otherwise active member choosing to reject all callings on a long-term basis. It hurts other people – pure and simple – who then feel compelled to accept multiple callings to make up the slack.

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    What if someone who has a full-time job for example if they are successful business people?


    That should be considered. Dale Murphy was a professional baseball player for years. The only “calling” he could do for years was being a Home Teacher, and he only could do that for months at a time over the phone. So that’s what he did. He would call his assigned families from different cities as he was traveling and ask how they were doing, share a simple message, talk with the kids one-by-one, etc. He rarely was able to visit, since time during home stints was sacred family time, but he did what he could with the time he had available in his individual circumstance. That’s the proper model, imo – doing what you can with the time you have available in your own individual circumstances and taking ownership of that decision.

    One personal example:

    When my wife was asked to be the Young Women’s President in our ward, we had five kids living at home, one on the way and another “son” living with us. (Later, for part of the time she was in that calling, we also had a family of four living in our basement while they got their lives back together after leaving an abusive situation.) When she was asked to be the YW Pres., I was serving as the Ward Mission Leader. We have a wonderful Bishop, and I was released from my calling and asked to be a Primary worker for the duration of her calling – in order to lessen the stress on our family. She served for 4 1/2 years in that calling and was released when I was called to the High Council – for the same reason. More leaders need to be willing to consider situations like ours when they discuss callings – and that counsel has been given by the global leadership. Too often, local leaders lose sight of that in the pressure of the moment and forget to think outside the easy box.

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    Thanks both of you for your answers. They are very helpful! You both have a very good way of explaining things and make things appear very simple and easy to understand. Thanks for all your help! :)

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    Here is another older post that I found interesting.

    When I first joined the church, I said yes to every calling that came along.

    I felt in some way that it was “insurance” when I faced a challenge or crisis in my life.

    A stronger testimony, a stronger faith, a stronger belief: all that good stuff.

    Then the “real thing” came along. My real crisis of faith.

    The only callings I will accept today are positions that I have a connection with.

    As I’ve mention before, I like Family History & Temple Work (within my boundaries).

    – I will never teach a group again. I will teach one on one.

    – I like technology. eg. computers & programs.

    – I don’t like Missionary work. I won’t do that again.

    I should also say, I’m old. So, there seems to be an age cut off for callings. Or, you have

    to have a special skill. eg. piano, music.

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    Minyan Man wrote:


    Here is another older post that I found interesting.

    When I first joined the church, I said yes to every calling that came along.

    I felt in some way that it was “insurance” when I faced a challenge or crisis in my life.

    I had turned down some callings throughout my church career. More to the point, I realized eventually that in “accepting a calling”, I was “calling myself” to a personal ministry of sorts and that mattered.

    – I “called myself” to Achievement Day leader to make sure that the program worked for my child. Eventually the organizational paperwork followed that and I was officially “called”.

    – I “lucked in” because I told my husband (who was the executive secretary at the time) that I wanted to be a R.S. teacher – and I had done some subbing and done a fabulous, connective job. So they called me.

    – I “called myself” to Nursery because my toddler was going to nursery and I needed a place to hide. I actually refused to be officially called by the church organization (but I had done the training). I let the leader know about vacations and preferred snacks and all that. It was also funny to see the reactions of the leaders as I “went off script” by not being officially called AND still I showed up.

    Minyan Man wrote:


    A stronger testimony, a stronger faith, a stronger belief: all that good stuff.

    Then the “real thing” came along. My real crisis of faith.

    My crisis was the “dark night of the soul” that is equally about the existence of God, the nature of God, and whether God/the God(s) talk to us.

    “I don’t know” the best answer that I have, which goes against Joseph Smith’s 1st vision, and official church doctrinal stance.

    Unfortunately, who I am at my core is not a good fit for being in engaged in the local church community. And to be fair to them, it is more about me then it is about them.

    Minyan Man wrote:


    The only callings I will accept today are positions that I have a connection with.

    As I’ve mention before, I like Family History & Temple Work (within my boundaries).

    – I will never teach a group again. I will teach one on one.

    – I like technology. eg. computers & programs.

    – I don’t like Missionary work. I won’t do that again.

    I should also say, I’m old. So, there seems to be an age cut off for callings. Or, you have to have a special skill. eg. piano, music.

    I don’t feel “called” to church callings anymore. I don’t want to be on most decision-making boards like a school district, library board, etc. I provide supports for my husband with his many chronic health challenges (which are usually what men 20+ years older then he is are facing) while raising 2 additional needs children (a teenager and a 7 year old). I handle a lot of details to make sure that all family members have what they need when they need it (most of the time) – and I am helping them identify “need” vs “want” vs “overwhelm”.

    Mostly, I am interested in being a really collaborative consumer and a co-creator in the sense that I help create a good environment, I may bring good snacks, I bring a lot of insights and information from my experiences. Honestly, I am usually about 2 crying jags away from burnout and I know it enough to protect myself more these days:)

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