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March 5, 2009 at 9:52 pm #203896
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GuestI’ve had someone accuse me several times of belonging to a cult. I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on this subject. I know there are times when it can seem cult like but I have to really laugh when I hear this accusation. My dh had me read an article several times about how the LDS church is a cult. I laughed out loud at the part where it said that girls camp was part of the cult like behavior. Maybe my experience was different from others because I loved girls camp. My leaders were awesome and would go swimming in the lake with us at 3 a.m. They never pressured us to act like the well-behaved house wives or anything. Any thoughts?
March 5, 2009 at 10:06 pm #215898Anonymous
GuestI will always remember the time User:Ed Poor “Uncle Ed” at Wikipedia (of the Unification “Moonies” Church) said to me with an online grin, “My cult is cultier than your cult.” I think taking it all in stride with humor, frankness, candor, and acceptance is a great thing. For what it’s worth, I loved growing up in the church. But it
didtend to encourage us vs. them thinking in me. At the same time, it encouraged getting outside that same thinking. Perhaps it was the culture that did the first and the pulpit and texts that did the second. Tom
March 5, 2009 at 10:23 pm #215899Anonymous
Guest“My cult is cultier than your cult.” I love it. No, the LDS Church is not a cult – except when “cult” is defined very broadly. When that is done, EVERY religious denomination is a cult.
It really is that simple.
March 6, 2009 at 4:01 pm #215897Anonymous
GuestNo. Our church is not a cult in the derogatory sense. Like Ray said, the term itself does not have a precise definition. To broaden the definition to include the LDS Church, you snare most other religions in the net. One definition is a group of people that follow a charismatic leader. Well that makes all of Christianity the cult of Jesus Christ. Islam is the cult of Mohammed. Buhddism is the cult of … you get where I am going. Now to be perfectly honest, I think some people in our church (and others) can become dysfunctional and trend towards cult-like behavior and beliefs. Take the Lafferty brothers as an extreme example. They were excommunicated before doing most of their damage, but they definately took ideas in mormonism to a cult extreme. In a milder sense, some people in our community take positions that don’t seem reasonable at times. Cultish? A little bit, but this isn’t the norm. I don’t think so anyway.
March 6, 2009 at 4:06 pm #215900Anonymous
GuestWhile mainstream journalists and news sources don’t tend to refer to the Mormon Church as a cult, I am not comfortable that we try to close the discussion with a clear “no”. That disenfranchises some sincere people with real grievances. I think “cult” is personal and local. Your LDS experience may be culty. Mine may not be. Or vice versa.
As with most things, I feel it’s best to leave the question open-ended, and perhaps unanswered. “What is culty about my religion?” “What can I do better?”
“Lord, is it I?”
Tom
March 6, 2009 at 7:54 pm #215901Anonymous
GuestExcellent answer, Tom – probably the best I have ever read. March 7, 2009 at 2:02 am #215902Anonymous
Guesthappymom wrote:I’ve had someone accuse me several times of belonging to a cult. I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on this subject. I know there are times when it can seem cult like but I have to really laugh when I hear this accusation. My dh had me read an article several times about how the LDS church is a cult. I laughed out loud at the part where it said that girls camp was part of the cult like behavior. Maybe my experience was different from others because I loved girls camp. My leaders were awesome and would go swimming in the lake with us at 3 a.m. They never pressured us to act like the well-behaved house wives or anything.
I think it is the WofW and the temple secrecy that leads to the conclusion that the LDS church is a cult. Here my focus is the WofW. Cults do things like control the behavior of their members. I have Catholic priest friend whom I’ve had many discussions with about our two religions and the world in general. I never really understood why people saw the church as a cult until discussing the issue with him. It wasn’t the subject of our conversation but at one point he asked or made a comment about how he just didn’t understand what, say, alcohol consumption had to do with spirituality or the teachings of Jesus. And, while I can’t articulate the insight I got from that comment, it just suddenly became very clear to me why people outside the church would look upon that as cult-like behavior. To be sure, plenty of Protestant denominations prohibit or preach against the evils of alcohol but it is rarely as circumscribed as it is in Mormonism. I don’t think the LDS church is a cult but I think that this also might be a case of the myopia many Mormons live in, where they can’t see themselves as other do, and therefore don’t understand why others characterize them as they do.
March 8, 2009 at 10:30 pm #215903Anonymous
GuestMain Entry: cult Pronunciation: ˈkəlt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate — more at wheel
Date: 1617
1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual ; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
I suppose #2 could fit. I don’t have a problem with it anymore than I do with labeling anything. We are listed under cults at the Mormon shooting gallery CARM.
March 9, 2009 at 1:13 am #215904Anonymous
GuestCult is too often the word used to describe “other” religions, particularly “newer” religions. In fact, the term “NRM” or “New Religious Movement” is often used synonymously with “cult.” Any religion looks like a cult when it’s new or from the vantage point of someone outside of that religion, but in reality only the ones that really don’t let you leave or do mind-control are actual cults. Catholicism can look like a cult to outsiders, too–anybody read Dan Brown’s books?? In reality, all religions are “tribal.” There are rules for belonging (even if there aren’t rules for membership, there are unwritten norms that indicate you belong).
March 9, 2009 at 7:47 pm #215905Anonymous
Guesthawkgrrrl wrote:Cult is too often the word used to describe “other” religions, particularly “newer” religions. In fact, the term “NRM” or “New Religious Movement” is often used synonymously with “cult.” Any religion looks like a cult when it’s new or from the vantage point of someone outside of that religion, but in reality only the ones that really don’t let you leave or do mind-control are actual cults. Catholicism can look like a cult to outsiders, too–anybody read Dan Brown’s books??
In reality, all religions are “tribal.” There are rules for belonging (even if there aren’t rules for membership, there are unwritten norms that indicate you belong).
I love this
March 10, 2009 at 7:07 pm #215906Anonymous
GuestI find this site: http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult_q0.html an interesting read on the cult subject. It is fairly inclusive, meaning most religious movements qualify as “cultish”, but it definitely gives food for thought on what goes too far.
Looking back I see my early years in the church as moderately cultish – in other words I got the message that dissenting views were poisonous words from the devil and there was some fear around hearing the wrong message. In my mind a non-cultish view is that truth can hold its own, fear itself is the tool of the devil, and if you’re swayed by error it’s because you don’t have enough good information – not because you have too much bad information.
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