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    I thought I would start a series of threads (I have a bunch in mind) on spiritual practices as they relate to our LDS experience and tradition. Some of these practices might be traditionally spoken of as “commandments”. Others might be more likely to be called “aberrations”. Nevertheless, to me, they are all simply spiritual practices with their own limited applicability and worth.

    TABOO BREAKING

    Taboo breaking is participation in a ritually or religiously unclean act that is not morally evil (detrimental to the global peace, joy, and salvation). Taboo breaking can be useful to combat pride and self-righteousness.

    Our Master Jesus and our Prophet Joseph Smith used taboo breaking. In the case of Jesus, he ate and drank with publicans and sinners, his disciples didn’t wash their hands ritually, and he “threshed” grains on the Sabbath. Joseph Smith rode around Nauvoo smoking a cigar after giving a rousing sermon on the Word of Wisdom. And he took 33 wives (probably a lame example, since it was not morally benign).

    It seems that doing benign shocking things early and often in a spirit of earnest reverence can be effective for spiritual growth.

    For example, I think I am OK because I have never touched liquor, coffee, or alcohol. That is a harmful attitude. I could use taboo breaking by having an annual participation in those things. Because I am Staying LDS, I will likely choose not to break taboos in that way just like Paul would never eat food offered to idols if it would offend a weaker believer. But by choosing not to break the taboo, I have to overcome the pride some other way, which could slow the spreading of peace around me.

    Milder traditions/taboos I am starting to break are the tradition of wearing a coat or a tie to church (yeah, I know. Pretty lame example.) How about letting myself be known to miss church willingly? How about letting my temple recommend lapse for a few weeks? How about having artwork with the Cross?

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    I struggle with doing such things with real intent. If I don’t wear the LDS uniform to church or swear or something, I always feel like I’m doing it to stick a fork in someone’s eye. And, usually, I am. I think it’s a great idea to keep the highest commandments in mind and to remember that the peripheral stuff is just that.

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    Gabe P wrote:

    I struggle with doing such things with real intent. If I don’t wear the LDS uniform to church or swear or something, I always feel like I’m doing it to stick a fork in someone’s eye. And, usually, I am.

    It’s exactly the point you mention that keeps me from breaking a lot of the taboos I probably should break if I can find my heart in the right place and find the right time. Doing things by the spirit is not easy or quick or convenient, is it?

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    Gabe P wrote:

    I think it’s a great idea to keep the highest commandments in mind and to remember that the peripheral stuff is just that.

    I need to address this in a special thread just about Spiritual Practices. For now, let me throw out the idea that the Great Commandments are infinitely hard to “keep”, while Spiritual Practices are easy for anyone to keep, and can be schoolmasters/potters/scuptors to bring us to the Great Commandments.

    Also, I regret starting my “series” with the least comfortable of the spiritual practices. What was I thinking!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!????

    #216240
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    In this context, I think that you are talking about something that is important. If “taboos” are there to specifically alienate others by creating exclusivity (vs. inclusion), that can create pride when someone feels superior to another because they adhere to the standard, whatever that is. I speak openly about “taboos” that I break, but they are generally just my own interpretation of what’s OK that might differ from someone else’s interpretation is. Things like:

    – drinking cola

    – swimsuit choice

    – Sunday activities

    – vacationing on Sundays/Sabbath observance

    I’m open about the choices we make and how we interpret these things, but I also realize that others’ views differ. People has to do what works for them. “I am not the boss of you, nor are you the boss of me.” You can’t hide the things you do when you have kids; what’s unhealthy is to do things on the downlow. But I also do not like to hear people judging others whose choices differ, and I always speak up when I hear that kind of behavior, whether it is kids or adults.

    #216241
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    This is a fascinating concept. Very interesting. I never thought so consciously and directly about taboo breaking as a spiritual practice. I will have to think about this.

    There are things which can’t be broken without serious consequences. The taboo against adultery is a simple example. I can’t decide once a year to cheat on my wife, just to reinforce a detachment and independence within myself. The consequences are too high a price, and would harm other people. I would have to focus on breaking down any pride or false surety in some other less damaging way.

    I think I already break too many other taboos, LOL. So I don’t see myself wanting to do a lot more. I am at a comfortable point. I feel like I am being “authentic” about where I am, and what I see as important right now. *BUT* could I turn this into a more purposeful and spiritual practice? Yes, I think I could. I appreciate seeing this in a different light. I love hearing other perspectives.

    #216242
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    I like this as an introspective exercise in distinguishing between culture, counsel and command. My own personal stance is that I try to follow what I perceive to be “general command” rigorously, unless I feel commanded personally to not do so (like Nephi and Laban, but hopefully never that dramatic); I try to follow general counsel, generally (meaning I only ignore it when I feel there is a compelling, important reason to do so); I pick and choose the cultural aspects I want to follow pretty much just by personal inclination and what I like.

    In practice, this means that I rarely “taboo break” at what I see as the meta-level, occasionally taboo break at the general level and taboo break fairly often at the ground level. It also means that I choose sometimes NOT to taboo break, even when I feel it would be fine to do so in theory, if I feel it would have a detrimental effect on others around me. The key, imo, is that I choose consciously – based on what I feel will bring me and those around me closer to God. I believe I can’t blame anyone else for my choices, so I “taboo break” or not understanding the theoretical consequences of my choice – that I am responsible for what I choose to do.

    #216243
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    This reminds me of a guy I knew some years ago, who was trying to break out of ‘cultural conditioning’ that we ALL are subject to. One of the things he was targeting was folding his arms during prayer.

    So I would watch him as we got ready to pray, and he would automatically (mindlessly– being the point) fold his arms. Then he would catch himself, roll his eyes and drop his arms and clasp his hands (or whatever his ‘move-of-the-day’ would be) for the prayer.

    Second thought — Spock in “STAR TREK IV” (the movie). He cusses. Badly. 😆 That’s probably how I’d do it if I started cussing.

    So this is a lot weaker than “Taboo” breaking, but it’s what I thought of, reading this thread.

    HiJolly

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    HiJolly wrote:

    This reminds me of a guy I knew some years ago, who was trying to break out of ‘cultural conditioning’ that we ALL are subject to. One of the things he was targeting was folding his arms during prayer.

    This is totally a side point, but I broke myself of this habit years ago when I was in the Army and stationed in Korea. Korean members do NOT fold their arms when they pray. In Korean culture, folding one’s arms across their chest is a sign of hostile defiance (and dishonor) while talking to someone who is their social superior. Let’s just say that God is pretty high up the honor hierarchy :-). So that makes it a terrible jesture when trying to pray. Hehe.

    That always stuck in my mind. I clasp my hands now.

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    HiJolly wrote:

    This reminds me of a guy I knew some years ago, who was trying to break out of ‘cultural conditioning’ that we ALL are subject to. One of the things he was targeting was folding his arms during prayer.

    That’s funny. I have been doing that. I didn’t think of it as taboo breaking, but that’s an interesting thought.

    Now that I have thought about it a little bit more, I don’t think shocking others is a spiritual practice, though smashing our own pride is. And of course (adultery) harming others is not a spiritual practice. We must continue to be gentle with each other.

    #216246
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    I’m the opposite actually, I’m only just getting into the folded arms thing. It’s good when you’re kneeling I find. When I’m sitting or standing, I don’t do it though.

    #216247
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    Perhaps explaining to me how breaking the cultural taboos can be good for spiritual growth? I don’t see the connection, unless somehow, in breaking these taboos, you gain a sense of identity which helps you StayLDS.

    Are there other reasons why breaking taboos (which I’m referring to as cultural norms) is somehow good for the spirit? I don’t get it….yet.

    #216248
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    Some of us, in dealing with the childhood emotional wounds all of us receive, develop as part of the False Self or Ego an identity that we mistake for our true identity and worth. I grew up as the 100%-er, the Eagle Scout, the good kid. And not only good, but in the view of the Ego, I am better than others. I am separate. I am superior in obedience, in faithfulness, in reverence, etc. Part of that view includes the validation I get by dressing right for church and showing up every week.

    If I am having a difficult time breaking my reliance on those false symbols of my status, it may help for me to mar my perfect record. I may miss church for (gasp) an entire month. I may take a sip of strong drink. I may go to the wilderness and shout ugly words (not in anger, but in embarrassment). I haven’t done all those things, but I could.

    Or it may not help at all. But I think all this shell game playing with the ego does one thing well. It helps us begin to see the Ego for what it is. And in the end, that is what defeats it.

    Does that make any sense, Silent? Here’s an exchange that may help explain:

    Tom’s Ego wrote:


    Do something!

    What should I do?

    Do something about survival.

    What should I do?

    Look at your budget. Look at your calendar. Check your email. Something. Anything!

    Am I a human being, or a human doing?

    If you don’t do something, you could die. You can’t just sit around all your life. After all, you are starting a new business. The future is extremely uncertain at this point. You have to do something!

    I am observing the Stopping Day of I Am Your God. And to tell the truth, I think I need it. This non-stop business starting is a bit maddening.

    Yes. The Stopping Day of I Am Your God. I like that. It’s clever. Who else but you would come up with such an original and intent-filled expression for your day of rest?

    Mmm. Yeah. It sure is a pretty day today. This week has been pretty hot, but today has been in the room temperature range all afternoon. The kids have been delightful playing outside all day.

    Is that allowed on the Sabbath?

    Am I allowed to say, “Get behind me, Satan?”

    Yeah, that makes you sound like Jesus.

    No, thanks. Then I will just say I don’t really care whether it’s allowed for them to play or not. That’s not my business. My business is to love them and delight in them.

    That guy looks like he has a beer in that bottle.

    Yeah. Maybe he does and maybe he doesn’t. I can’t tell.

    You never drink.

    Well, maybe I just will. Don’t get so self-righteous so easily. Did you even notice he is out with his daughter playing catch? Did I do that today?

    I didn’t notice.

    That’s okay. Nobody notices everything. And now he came over to check on some whining puppies. I just don’t think beer or no beer is going to cut it as a status symbol for me. He seems like a wonderful person as far as I can tell. I think I can learn a lot from him.

    You gave a great smile to that little boy on the bicycle. You are a blessing to this apartment complex.

    We all are. We all are blessed to be here together. He is a blessing to me. I am a blessing to him. I’m no different than anybody else.

    But you are superior. You come from a noble heritage. You are an Eagle Scout. You are conservatively dressed. You are clean cut. You don’t smoke. You have an education. You use beautiful language.

    Do those things make others happy? Comfortable? Comforted? Loved?

    Sure, they do. See. That dad just cursed. You don’t do that.

    I’m not going to argue with you. Arguing seems only to strengthen you. I’m going to turn my attention to the delightful things around me. I hope to eat. I hope to sleep. I hope to use the bathroom. Just like every other being on the planet. Enjoy me being normal.

    #216249
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    Tom Haws wrote:

    Some of us, in dealing with the childhood emotional wounds all of us receive, develop as part of the False Self or Ego an identity that we mistake for our true identity and worth. I grew up as the 100%-er, the Eagle Scout, the good kid. And not only good, but in the view of the Ego, I am better than others. I am separate. I am superior in obedience, in faithfulness, in reverence, etc. Part of that view includes the validation I get by dressing right for church and showing up every week.

    OK, let me see if I have it correct — you’re saying that by doing all the right things in the Church — one can develop a false sense of righteousness that stems from identifying with the practices of our Church rather than connecting with the pure gospel. This can lead to self-righteousness, perhaps even arrogance as one looks down on others who HAVEN’T obeyed those practices. For example, the guy who didn’t finish his Eagle Scout, didn’t serve a mission, didn’t get a decent education, didn’t marry in the temple, etcetera.

    So, in breaking the taboo, you break your perceived self-righteousness, and potentially, any arrogance ….is that it?

    If so, I see a different way than this. Ether 4:12 (I believe) indicates that God gave us weaknesses so that we might be humble. I think regular exercises in self-awareness can be enough to shed this self-righteous Ego. That’s the problem arrogant people have — lack of self-awareness. As many people have said “arrogant people don’t know they are arrogant”. Overcoming these tendencies means seeking feedback about oneself from others, going through the painful assessment of whether the feedback has merit, and then accepting the negative feedback if its correct. This tends to breed humility.

    One can also replace arrogance with humility by asking for it. Before I go into teaching situations, I have given a prayer of humility that I have found DEEPLY improves my ability to teach with the spirit. By saying words, heartfelt, such as “Father, I recognize that the most important thing in this lesson is to teach with the Spirit so that others in the room go away believing the ideas in the lesson, and resolving to do better. I realize that the power to do this stems from Thee, and not my own natural abilities. I’m willing to say whatever you put into my mind, and to let go of all my egotistical thoughts or desire for praise as a result of this lesson. Self-aggrandizement is not my motive — doing what you say is my motive — Help me to rely on thee through the entire experience”.

    When I do this, using your own words, and I often come away very soft-hearted and feeling this utter letting-go of self that attracts spiritual power.

    I see these activities as more valuable in curbing ego than simply breaking taboos. I find that breaking taboos only attracts comments from other people about the fact I’m not “obeying the rules” which only irritates me — as I know that cultural norms are often meaningless in the face of absolute truth — they are agreed upon habits that don’t really contribute to salvation. The only time I break taboos is when I want to appear on the fringe so I don’t get called into a position, or when I’m feeling at odds with the cultural norms that define our religion — such as wearing a blue or pink shirt to Church, or in growing a beard.

    #216250
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    Good stuff, SD. Yeah, spiritual practices are really just “possibly helpful ideas” that may help get us over the hump of blindness toward growth. I like your practice. As you say, though, arrogant people don’t really know we are arrogant. So any given new spiritual practice (sabbatical, taboo breaking, lucid dreaming, meditation, prayer, voluntary poverty, ancient fasting, etc.) may reveal what we couldn’t see. On the other hand, if you already see your weakness, you are that much further ahead!

    Tom

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