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March 31, 2009 at 11:03 pm #203931
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GuestI am so appreciative of this website. I think I would have had an nervous breakdown by this point had I not found it. I feel that I am at the beginning of my journey to find a place within the LDS church. I have only begun to learn about some of the issues involved with the church. I am not exactly sure where to start. I don’t feel comfortable talking to my family because I think they would be hurt and would not understand. They would probably think that I was leaving the church. I don’t like to talk to those who brought to light the issues that I am struggling with now. I find that they are very angry and hateful toward the LDS church and religion in general. I can understand their feelings and the need to lash out but I personally feel that hate and anger are poison. I do not want to keep them in my life as I feel it does not help me progress. I wonder why I should tear down something that is doing good for me when I have nothing else to lean on.
I just feel lost when I read some discussions because I really haven’t done a whole lot of research. Does anyone have any suggestions on where to start to get the truth without all of the anger.
March 31, 2009 at 11:09 pm #216300Anonymous
GuestHi, and welcome! I recommend you look at the “book reviews” forum here on this site — in particular, the most ‘kindly’ yet informative book I’ve read is “Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling” by Patriarch Bushman. It is awesome.
Also on this site are mp3’s you can download and listen to that are interviews with Brother Bushman.
Hope you continue posting!
HiJolly
April 1, 2009 at 2:33 am #216301Anonymous
GuestI want to echo HiJolly’s suggestions – but I will add one caveat: I think you already have made the most critical decision – that of commitment to not letting anger or bitterness control your perspective. I think all of us who have been here for a while agree that such a decision is vital to being able to move forward and create a new paradigm that will bring you peace and joy eventually.
Along with book suggestions, I recommend studying reflective introspection in any of its iterations (meditation, feeling/emotion journals, yoga, anything that helps you relax/”be still” and find a degree of calmness). Clearing one’s mind and just “feeling life” is a wonderful experience, and it is totally in harmony with the principles of the Gospel – particularly when it is combined with a classic focus on prayer, self-awareness, contemplation, etc. I no longer engage in the more formal processes, but I set aside time regularly to stop everything else and just think and feel – especially in preparation for prayer.
April 1, 2009 at 5:16 am #216302Anonymous
GuestHi and welcome. I love these boards and I hope you get as much from it as I have. I just have two suggestions for sources NOT to consult:
1) Sources that are angry all the time. This includes a lot of the anti-Mormon stuff and even some of what’s said on some of the other boards around the internet.
2) Sources that deny your concerns. This, unfortunately, includes some of what the Church puts out and some of the members of it.
Rough Stone Rolling was amazing and I think that would be a great place to start with any Joseph Smith-related issue (and many of them are). I’d also suggest figuring out what your concerns are and looking into them individually: you don’t need to dig for dirt on the Church unless that would interest you. You just need to figure out what you’re worried about, get the information you need, and go where your best instincts tell you to go. One problem I had is that Mormonism and anti-Mormonism are equal and opposite cottage industries: you will never find enough dirt on the Church or on Joseph Smith to satisfy. So don’t get caught in the cycle of anger as I did.
April 1, 2009 at 2:19 pm #216303Anonymous
GuestAnger, bitterness and fear are poisons to the soul. It doesn’t matter if it is about the LDS Church, a personal relationship with someone, or in connection with politics or the world at large. I’m not saying we don’t experience and feel those feelings. There’s a difference between allowing ourselves to feel, and to dwell within anger and fuel it. There is a seductive power to feeding anger. It is energizing, but it is poison. It’s also not good to shut our eyes and pretend that things are different. As far as finding “the truth” about it all? There is none… There are lots of sources to learn about our history and doctrines. We have some great resources here, people have already pointed them out. The MP3 podcast interviews are all very excellent. So are the articles posted in the library section of the website.
Feel free to talk about stuff here.
April 1, 2009 at 3:43 pm #216304Anonymous
GuestI really like the clarity of Gabe’s two principles: NOT predominantly angry sources, and NOT sources that deny your concerns. New Order Mormons maybe an appropriate place of transition for you. The mp3s are very, very good. And we are here. I guarantee you we are not on a different page than you. We just have had time to reframe, reconsider, and count to ten. The important thing about us is we understand Ray’s maxim that “
there are no academic issues; everything is emotional to somebody.” In that light, we are pleased to talk with you one by one about all your strongest issues. They are not off limits here. On a side note, let me express that with our intentional focus on healing and moving beyond anger, it will be a continual challenge at these forums to assure newcomers that their respectful venting and excruciating “Why?!”s are very welcome here. That’s why we are here.
April 1, 2009 at 10:31 pm #216305Anonymous
GuestI appreciate all of your advice. I will try to get Rough Rolling Stone. I think my dad may be reading it right now. I love this discussion group. I love that everyone is so supportive and open. I have not found that other places I’ve looked. I have about a million things running through my head and so I’m going to try to express them and hope they make sense. I myself am not struggling too bad with the church. I think that it is a good organization and it is the place I am suppose to be. I just recently learned about things that the church usually denies. I was hurt and confused at first but then I realized that those were mistakes made by people. Overall I think that the church has been a positive influence in the world. In the past I have been a TBM and just believed that the bad thing said about the church were lies and never did my own research. I’m trying to get away from that way of thinking. I am just now taking the initiative to develop my own beliefs.
I like Ray’s idea that “there are no academic issues: everything is emotional to somebody.” I have felt this way for a long time but I live with someone who is convinced that everything is academic and can be reasoned out without emotion. It is hard to have a real discussion because if I bring emotions into the discussion at all then everything I say is discounted. I am told that the LDS leaders are all tyrants and pernicious people on a daily basis. Anyone who disagrees with this person is considered ignorant and does not have critical thinking skills.
Gabe P wrote:One problem I had is that Mormonism and anti-Mormonism are equal and opposite cottage industries:
I absolutely agree with this. I cannot stay TBM but at the same time I don’t understand swinging to anti-Mormonism because I feel like I would have the same problems just on the opposite side of the issue. I’ve seen anti-Mormons lie and deceive as much as Mormons do sometimes.I’m just venting but it is nice to have a place to vent. I thought it was funny thought that as I was driving through town today I saw a quote on one church’s billboard that said “Bitterness is like drinking poison and hoping the other person will die.” I thought it was quite appropriate to how I felt.
April 1, 2009 at 10:34 pm #216306Anonymous
GuestI hear you. I’m looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts. I tried to be in the apologetic/anti debate for awhile, but the terms just don’t make any sense. “Pro-Mormon” and “Anti-Mormon” don’t help me figure out what I should do when I don’t feel comfortable with either. Welcome and you can always vent here! April 2, 2009 at 4:50 pm #216307Anonymous
Guesthappymom wrote:I’m just venting but it is nice to have a place to vent. I thought it was funny thought that as I was driving through town today I saw a quote on one church’s billboard that said “Bitterness is like drinking poison and hoping the other person will die.” I thought it was quite appropriate to how I felt.
Synchronicities like that are important messages. Whether they are divine messages put there for you, or just your subconscious pulling patterns out of the world, the message is still important on a personal level. It’s funny you spotted that and drove by right during a time this issue came up as a topic to think about.
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