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    Yesterday my sister-in-law’s sister’s husband, a 31 year old married LDS father of three, dropped dead of a heart attack while playing basketball at a Mormon church in the midwest. No prior health issues or warning signs of any kind. Just dropped dead. Two of the three kids are special needs kids–one is downs syndrome and the other I’m not sure exactly. One child is normal.

    Also my sister-in-law miscarried 4.5 months into her pregnancy. They have struggled getting pregnant and staying pregnant in the past and so didn’t tell people they were expecting until she was 4 months along this time. Big celebration in the family. Three weeks later the baby is gone. The Washington DC area doctor sent them to a clinic to have a D&C and it turned out to be an abortion clinic. She walked out and couldn’t do it. Insurance won’t cover the hospital doing the procedure. What a nightmare. It would have been their first.

    I can understand the Shoah or the death of Adenheart–tragedies caused by other humans. God values agency above all else and he will allows Fritzl his basement prisons without interference. Praying for God to stop the bad man is a sign of spiritual immaturity. Comfort and knowledge are the only things God has to offer in the face of man’s inhumanity to man. And I get all of this and am OK with it.

    But why does God allow the innocent to suffer like in the two cases this weekend?

    The only explanation I can go to would be that the inherent chaotic fallen nature of the world, including human physical frailty, is a mandatory aspect of agency. No entropy must mean no agency. I don’t fully understand it, but it must be so. Any other reason would seem to mean that God is just a monster. A lot of pain out there in the world.

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    The only explanation I can go to would be that the inherent chaotic fallen nature of the world, including human physical frailty, is a mandatory aspect of agency.

    Bouvet, I don’t have any better explanation than that – and I only will add that I am open to the idea of a limited reincarnative mortality – limited to human reincarnations from human to human. I’m not espousing that view or arguing for that idea. I don’t “believe” it. I simply allow for the possibility, since I think we have very little understanding of exactly what life is like once we die. Objectively, we really do have SO very little substantive revelation on it – so I’m willing to contemplate lots of options, as long as they ultimately end in becoming like God (however that is phrased).

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    I allow for possibilities much like Ray does. But for me, the idea with greatest spiritual impact and holding power is that I–I, Tom Haws–with full foreknowledge chose to enter this mortality with it’s confusion, terror, despair, and mistakes.

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    I agree with Tom. I personally believe we all signed a waiver prior to coming to earth, that regardless of how crummy it turned out or how unfair the circumstances or how the agency of others might lessen our enjoyment of mortality, we accepted that risk because we wanted what we could gain from this experience.

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    That’s a wonderfully fresh way of explaining it. I need to get better at using symbols like that!

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