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July 22, 2009 at 6:58 pm #204124
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GuestI am putting up a list of handy references about James Fowler’s Stages of Faith. I thought this would be handy for new people that visit our site. We often reference these in posts here at StayLDS. You might see someone talk about “Stage 3” or “Stage 4” thinking. We are talking about this researcher’s theory of psychological development. Please note: This theory is just a way to give us some new language to talk about faith. It is more about describing a viewpoint than a person. One stage isn’t necessarily better than another. They are just different. They all have their pros and cons. As a very broad generalization though, people transition their views in sequence from one stage to the next over time.
MormonStories audio interviews (in three parts),
on the topic of James Fowler’s Stages of Faith:
http://mormonstories.org/podcast/MormonStories-015-MormonStagesOfFaithPt1.mp3 http://mormonstories.org/podcast/MormonStories-016-MormonStagesOfFaithPt2.mp3 http://mormonstories.org/podcast/MormonStories-017-MormonStagesOfFaithPt3.mp3 Mormon Expression podcasts:
Fowler Stages of Faith – Overview, Part 1
http://mormonexpression.com/?p=315 Fowler Stages of Faith – Fifth stage and what it means to the LDS Church, Part 2
http://mormonexpression.com/?p=440 Book Review on StayLDS:
http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=153 A very brief description of the Stages of Faith:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stages_of_faith_development A couple of longer, more detailed summaries of the Fowler Stages of Faith:
July 22, 2009 at 7:22 pm #219122Anonymous
GuestThanks for the sticky. I think it is an important concept not just to stay engaged in the conversations at staylds.com but also for everyone’s personal belief system/managing relationships (especially with people at different stages) July 22, 2009 at 8:36 pm #219123Anonymous
GuestWell worth reviewing more than once, for those who have been here a while too! July 30, 2009 at 6:35 pm #219124Anonymous
GuestI also like this essay as in it pertains to the LDS church, specifically. August 21, 2009 at 7:19 am #219125Anonymous
GuestThanks for the references. Its pretty fascinating research. I started as Stage 3 Catholic, had a crisis of faith at age 20, and ended up… a Stage 3 Mormon
😆 . I’m now (at age 30) in transition between 3 and 4. I feel like I am getting closer to Stage 4, as much of my anger is gone and I am starting to view religion less and less about the organization and more and more about my personal relationship with and progress towards Deity.August 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm #219126Anonymous
GuestThanks Valoel I think it is important and useful for Fowler’s stages to be highlighted and it really helps me to work through conceptual issues.
For lots of people here on the site who are going through their faith crisis, their stage 4 movement (Fowler calls it individuative-reflective faith) there are a few things to keep in mind:
- 1. This questioning, this placing your own personal, individual understanding of your faith as more important than the institution you belong to IS NOT a “falling into sin” but the essential step in being able to reach a mature faith in stage 5 (Fowler calls that “conjunctive faith”).
2. Managing your marriage relationship needs to recognize that your spouse is likely at Stage 3 (Synthetic -conventional faith) and such people are intensely loyal to their beliefs, these are the emphatic “I knows” of testimony meeting, these are the core of any Mormon ward. You don’t have to “convert” them to the same stage 4 you are going through but you do need to communicate that the long term goal of your questioning will hopefully be a more mature, equally as loyal understanding of the gospel
It think this quote from Jeff Thompson needs some thinking:
Quote:Our weaknesses are not in our core doctrines, but in our institutionalized and communal fear of Stage 4. Unfortunately, we show little sign of alleviating this and instead seem intent on entrenching ourselves further within Stage 3.
Reading this has helped me enormously with my issues around the “organization” that “manages” the church. As Jeff points our doctrine, including that each person should seek their own personal revelations and progression, actually help to lead a person to the Stage 5, conjunctive phase where their is a greater acceptance of the fairth. However, on an institutional level the Church does seem to want to keep the people at a loyal, predictable stage 3 and you can understand that from their point of view.
I want to bring in Kohlberg’s theory of Moral Devleopment but that would hopelessly complicate this post. Maybe it is already here at the site and I need to go do some more looking.
😯 August 21, 2009 at 8:24 pm #219127Anonymous
GuestI like this link: http://www.mc.maricopa.edu/dept/d46/psy/dev/Spring01/Spirituality/fowler.html No, actually, we haven’t discussed Kohlberg, who as you are implying is an important predecessor for Fowler. I would love to see you start a thread on Kohlberg’s work.
Incidentally, in reading Jeff Thompson’s essay/article, his conclusion reminded me of something I think might work in the church:
Quote:We will conclude Fowler’s comments with part of his solution to the modal developmental level problem, “My vision for such a community as this begins with taking ongoing faith development in adulthood seriously. I believe that when a community expects and provides models for significant
continuing faith development in adulthoodits patterns of nurturing the faith of children and youth will change and become more open-ended.” [pg. 295] I believe that Fowler has the right idea here. We need to begin to take faith development in adulthoodseriously. We need to examine what it means and where it leads. We need to stop trying to address it with platitudes and “feel good” statements. We need to stop persecuting those who move on and develop tolerance for other people and for alternate ideas. We need to develop proper understandings of faith and truth. Faith development in adulthood could be as simple as moves like restricting High Priest ordination to some advanced age (35 or 40 approx. post mid-life crisis), adding a “senior” Relief Society restricted likewise, extending the youth Sunday School groups in two or three year steps to age 30, restricting Gospel Doctrine attendance to the age of 30 or older, or splitting Gospel Doctrine into “adult” and “senior” (35 or 40+) sections. In general, small moves that could provide and tacitly, structurally, and institutionally in some way acknowledge the reality of “advancement” after true adulthood (post-college, post honeymoon, post-mission, age 25 or 30) and mid-life (age 40) would help
a lot, I think. Creativity is of course needed, but somethingin the church is needed to point to the faith difference between a 45-year-old and a 20-year-old that are now in allthe same classes. There is a time (sacrament meeting) for mixing, and a time for matching. August 25, 2009 at 3:09 pm #219128Anonymous
GuestTom Haws wrote:Creativity is of course needed, but
somethingin the church is needed to point to the faith difference between a 45-year-old and a 20-year-old that are now in allthe same classes. There is a time (sacrament meeting) for mixing, and a time for matching.
Interesting, Tom. I agree that different stages people go through have different needs…I’m not sure it would help meet those needs by prescribing age limits to groupings…as I don’t think everyone fits the same mold. I see this problem with the youth age splits, as I think my daughter is not benefitting by rules based on age…yet see there is some wisdom to youth being split up (it is not perfect for eveyone, but better for most).I like the idea of a “senior” relief society similar to the split of Elders and HP classes, have a different curriculum and focus, however, I wonder if it should be voluntary, allowing anyone of any age to choose where to go to in order to meet their needs. While Fowler suggests the norms are that people go through stages at certain ages in general, certainly those trends are not hard fast rules at ages.
August 25, 2009 at 6:46 pm #219129Anonymous
GuestI like your thoughts. Maybe giving the “senior” sections uninviting names would eliminate the “honors section” ambition and elitism problem that always lurks. Tradition is strong enough; there’s no need to have explicit rules. So you have a Gospel Doctrine for seniors (Gospel Doctrine Senior Class) and a relief society for seniors (Relief Society Senior Class). Actually, if you had a Gospel Doctrine Senior Class, you might not need the Relief Society senior class . What other ideas are there?
August 26, 2009 at 12:05 am #219130Anonymous
GuestHow ’bout the “milk class” and the “meat class.”
August 27, 2009 at 11:31 pm #219131Anonymous
GuestTom Haws wrote:
Faith development in adulthood could be as simple as moves like restricting High Priest ordination to some advanced age (35 or 40 approx. post mid-life crisis), adding a “senior” Relief Society restricted likewise, extending the youth Sunday School groups in two or three year steps to age 30, restricting Gospel Doctrine attendance to the age of 30 or older, or splitting Gospel Doctrine into “adult” and “senior” (35 or 40+) sections. In general, small moves that could provide and tacitly, structurally, and institutionally in some way acknowledge the reality of “advancement” after true adulthood (post-college, post honeymoon, post-mission, age 25 or 30) and mid-life (age 40) would helpa lot, I think. Creativity is of course needed, but somethingin the church is needed to point to the faith difference between a 45-year-old and a 20-year-old that are now in allthe same classes. There is a time (sacrament meeting) for mixing, and a time for matching. Clearly the current church curriculum is not suited for extending faith development into adulthood, when the manuals are strictly correlated and essentially no new concepts are introduced after the teenage years and discussion is strictly limited to “approved” topics. I don’t think that breaking things up by age is going to really encourage faith development if all of the classes use the same restricting manuals.
Anyone know the history of when the church began so thoroughly correlating the manuals and presenting a “scrubbed” view of history?
August 28, 2009 at 1:12 pm #219132Anonymous
GuestMisterCurie wrote:Anyone know the history of when the church began so thoroughly correlating the manuals and presenting a “scrubbed” view of history?
It was a pretty big goal of the church during the David O McKay era, when the auxiliaries were brought under more control of the Q12, and the big push was made to correlate the manuals and the content across the church.I personally would like to see a new class, like a doctrine intelligence class or something that gets more detailed in lessons about Christ’s ministry and teachings. But even as I type this, I sense the risk would be to start an “in depth” class would only draw those wanting to prove they are “more advanced” or getting into questionable doctrine, and that doesn’t seem to go well with trying to unify the ward members.
Somehow, I just wish there was more meat to the current lessons. I attended a evangelical congregation not too long ago and someone there gave a great sermon on 6 verses in the book of Mark that I have never considered the meaning of those scriptures like that before. It was completely in line with my beliefs as a mormon, but a new angle at those scriptures. I want more of that, along with some testimony and personal experiences shared, but something that helps people who have heard the normal curriculum multiple times already, able to continue building faith and learning.
August 29, 2009 at 4:34 pm #219133Anonymous
GuestI believe the old RDLS had it right. They did not automatically advance through the priesthood and many adult males were still teachers etc. I’d be interested to know what their advancement criteria was. I know their men had a far greater respect for their priests, elders, HP, as these offices were not reached via automatic age advancement. August 29, 2009 at 10:35 pm #219134Anonymous
GuestI think generallythe church is designed to keep most members in stage three. It keeps consistency, and it avoids most conflicts. Let’s face it, with the internet there are so many stories out there about church history, it would take every Sunday, every meeting to straighten everybody out! That’s why I think there is much to be said for individual study, discussion with those ready to deal with the challenges maturely…and of course:
THIS WEB SITE!
September 14, 2009 at 11:44 pm #219135Anonymous
GuestI regularly go back and review the Stages of Faith essays…they provide good meaning for me, and yet cause me some uncomfortable reflection. Quote:Stage 5 – “Conjunctive” faith (mid-life crisis) acknowledges paradox and transcendence relating reality behind the symbols of inherited systems
How can I better understand this stage? Can someone give me examples of people that would be described as achieving this faith (including yourself if you feel you are there) and how that person views the church and the world?
Are there qualities or characteristics that I should be looking for to help aspire to that level?
Can you help me understand this level of faith development moer?
- 1. This questioning, this placing your own personal, individual understanding of your faith as more important than the institution you belong to IS NOT a “falling into sin” but the essential step in being able to reach a mature faith in stage 5 (Fowler calls that “conjunctive faith”).
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