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    My friend is a single divorced woman who works as a nurse at a hospital. Subsequently she has to work Sundays, so she is unable to attend church on a regular basis. She has been a faithful member for all of her life. She loves the church so much. Her bishop recently revoked her temple recommend. He told her that since she couldn’t attend church regularly, she was not worthy of a temple recommend. She is totally devistated. It has shaken her faith and mine to the core.

    I have been having doubts for a long time. I see good people trying their hardest to live the gospel, only to find that those who have been called as leaders causing hardship instead of ministering and helping the people they are called to lead. I have seen things like this happen more than one. I am at the point that I feel that being a church leader ie bishop, stake president, relief society president, has become more of a status symbol than a calling. What can I tell my friend that will bring her comfort? This makes me wonder if these men are really inspired and called of God, or if it is all a sham.

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    Needing to work on Sunday is not a valid reason to revoke someone’s temple recommend. Period. Unfortunately, some Bishops insert their own views into the interview process – and, based solely on what you have shared, this might be such a case.

    Having said that, does she have someone else in a position to speak with the Bishop (a counselor, a High Councilor, a Stake Presidency member, etc.) who can tackle this constructively? There is no reason other than personal belief of the Bishop that non-attendance for work alone should be the justification for not renewing her recommend.

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    I suggested that she talk with the Stake President, but she is convinced that he will stand with the bishop. She is afraid that if she was to push the issue, she could be excommunitcated. I told her that this isn’t possible, but she is convinced that she has committed a great sin. She is seriously contemplating quitting her job so she can start to repent. She has been brought up to believe that anything the church leaders say is inspired. She really feels she is in the wrong. I don’t know what else I can say to her to make her see that she is not sinning. It hurts me to see the despair she is feeling.

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    I’m so sorry he did that! My DH used to work as a nurse some Sundays and was in the military so he had drill on weekends. Our bishop (at the time) assured DH that it was not a sin and that some people do need to work on Sunday.

    Police officers

    Fire & Rescue

    Hospital and nursing home staff

    The people who worked last weekend to make sure General Conference was broadcast to the world.

    The GA’s regularly fly on Sunday. By doing so they make use of the entire airline industry working on Sunday.

    Probably Public Works-do our lights and water just work by magic on Sunday? I dunno.

    All the soldiers who are far from home.

    I am so very sorry that she is hurt and feeling bad now. She really should seek counsel from the Stake Pres. He may have a more understanding view.

    #224231
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    just me wrote:

    I’m so sorry he did that! My DH used to work as a nurse some Sundays and was in the military so he had drill on weekends. Our bishop (at the time) assured DH that it was not a sin and that some people do need to work on Sunday.

    Police officers

    Fire & Rescue

    Hospital and nursing home staff

    The people who worked last weekend to make sure General Conference was broadcast to the world.

    The GA’s regularly fly on Sunday. By doing so they make use of the entire airline industry working on Sunday.

    Probably Public Works-do our lights and water just work by magic on Sunday? I dunno.

    All the soldiers who are far from home.

    I am so very sorry that she is hurt and feeling bad now. She really should seek counsel from the Stake Pres. He may have a more understanding view.

    Here’s what I believe about working on Sunday – It is not a sin. If it were, the church would not accept tithing from money earned on the Sabbath. Any bishop who claims differently is incorrect in my view.

    Also, many other folks have to work on Sunday:

    Dairy farmers have to milk their cows. If you drink milk, at least some of it was produced on the Sabbath. So…you are causing someone to work on Sunday.

    Missionaries in the MTC like to eat on Sunday, and people get paid to prepare it.

    Crops need water – even on the Sabbath.

    Turning on your furnace and/or a.c. means somebody somewhere is working in a power plant.

    Myriad other professions require Sunday work, and if people are too self-righteous to see it then they are living in la la land!

    Rather than bishops and stake presidents criticizing people for working on the Sabbath, perhaps they should instead count their blessings that they don’t have to do so themselves.

    #224232
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    Segrader I have to say I was simply shocked to read your initial post, the Bishop’s actions seem to be completely outside of the normal functioning virtually all Bishops I have ever known even the very hard line conservative ones. I’ve been on several Elders Quorum Presidencies and in many Priesthood Executive Committee meetings and single women who are working are often considered at such meetings but in terms of how to give them the support that they need to remain committed and active in the midst of very difficult times. Again I am simply shocked.

    Your friend has not committed a sin and should seek some resolution. Is there a possibility that you could sit your friend down at your computer and let her read this thread? She would find then that a number of people do not feel that she has sinned, that in contrast it is the Bishop who has overstepped the boundary of compassion in favor of his version of justice.

    Rather than head directly for the Stake President is there a High Counsellor that she knows at least a little bit personally, there is probably at least 1 or 2 in her ward, if that is the case I think I would start at that level, ask them for their advice and if there is some way to work out the problem. She should go ahead with it because if the current Bishop is doing this kind of damage to her he may well be doing similar sorts of over the top hard line stuff with others and the Stake Presidency should know. Likely the Bishop is completely honest, though over zealous, and simply needs some help to realize that charity is the key to the gospel not justice.

    #224233
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    This whole situation is wrong. As long as working on Sundays is the only issue, that shouldn’t be an issue. There are many faithful, TR holding members of the Church that have to make these sacrifices, especially in today’s tough job market. A brother in my ward is rarely there on Sundays because he is a police SWAT medic. He has a TR, teaches seminary and does whatever else he can … but he just isn’t there on Sundays most of the time. He has to support his family.

    The same situation exists in military wards. I was in the Army for a few years, and it was not uncommon to be deployed on a training exercise or have to be on duty on Sundays. It’s just the reality of life.

    #224234
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    I think having my friend read the replies on this thread will go a long way to comforting her. I think that this is an excellent suggestion. She needs to know that she is a good person, and hasn’t done anything wrong. I am also trying to reach her stake president to tell him what has happened. She asked me not to, but I agree that this situation needs resolution as soon as possible. She loves to go to the temple whenever she can. Thank you all for your support .

    #224235
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    I think there is more counseling and conversation that bishops are usually willing to do besides just signing or revoking a recommend. It almost sounds to me that there are more reasons the bishop acted that way than simply she has to work on Sunday. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t more to it than that.

    I would suggest to your friend try to schedule another appointment to ask the bishop the help her better understand the principle he is trying to teach her, because there are many people that have to work but are not unworthy to hold recommends. What else is there the bishop wants her to do so that she can keep her recommend and not be denied the blessings of the temple? If the bishop can’t explain it any further, than the Relief Society President could be a resource to help understand the situation.

    A humble, honest approach to understanding the bishop’s actions might go a long way. Most bishops want to help people get to the temple, not restrict it unless they feel they have to. That has been my experience.

    Whatever the outcome, for you and your friend, just try to remember the church is run by mortals and therefore is imperfect and your testimony can’t hinge on the actions of the members or the leaders. It can grow out of something more profound and something deeper. I also think you can still have a good relationship with God, whether you have a temple recommend or not.

    Good luck and let us know how it goes!

    #224236
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    If there is no other spiritual issue on the table, I think it would be appropriate for your friend to visit the Stake President and counsel with him. It may even be appropriate to kindly challenge the decision with the bishop and ask for complete spiritual explanations… something I would then present to the SP. I just did this….. I challenged the bishop and he left our meeting, prayed, and issued my recommend with a changed attitude. Bishops aren’t perfect. They sometimes have lapses in judgment. No need to overreact. No need to become offended yet. I would see if the situation could be mended with patience for all involved.

    #224237
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    Poppyseed wrote:

    Bishops aren’t perfect. They sometimes have lapses in judgment. No need to overreact. No need to become offended yet. I would see if the situation could be mended with patience for all involved.


    Good advice, Poppyseed. The Bishops will usually be the first ones to admit they’re not perfect. I wonder if you approach the situation with “What would God want me to do?” instead of worrying about if the bishop is right or wrong if that would help the situation. I respect the bishop as an agent or judge with authority, but I am interested in what God wants me to do, not what I need to do to please the bishop or anyone else. And so how I treat the bishop is an important part of how I think God judges me, and how I act even when I totally disagree with the bishop is an important lesson for me to learn.

    In other words, I don’t put the bishop between God and my relationship, but think at times he can help direct me closer to God when I need spiritual guidance…like a coach more so than a gate keeper.

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