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    I realize with much of my faith…the motivating factor to be obedient is to get something.

    I want to be baptized to get the Holy Ghost and to get forgiveness of sins and get membership in the church.

    I want to be married in the temple to get relationships sealed for the eternities.

    I want to live the Word of Wisdom to get in the temple and to get the windows of heaven opened to me.

    I want to pray to get God’s approval that I am showing I believe in Him and I love Him.

    I think “getting” things is what we do to seek the blessings that are promised. “I the Lord am bound when you do what I say.”

    My question is: How should I realistically expect God will bless me?

    For example, I live the law of tithing and so I hope there are career opportunities that come my way? Do I really think God pushes people to provide career opportunities to happen? Or is that physical, real world blessing unfounded, and I should be more developed and just believe that I live the law of tithing and the church can pay for buildings and I can learn to let go of material things. It isn’t about God blessing my financial situation…but God blessing my thoughts on how I view my financial situation.

    Pioneers believed because of faith and prayer, God sent birds to eat up the locusts or crickets. God provided a Liahona compass to be put outside the tent door of Lehi. Daniel had hungry lions be tamed so they wouldn’t attack him. It seems clear the teaching is that God will intervene in the physical world when we have faith he will. He didn’t just bless Daniel to be happy as the lions ripped him limb from limb.

    We are taught that when you live the commandments, God will show his involvement in your life. Right?

    Is that realistic that real things will happen (jobs, rain, investment returns, bacteria removed…) – or is it more realistic to think that by living the commandments our thoughts are turned to God or higher causes, so we are blessed by being happy, even if we don’t have money, or jobs, or rain to water our crops, or our family members get sick and die…the real world will follow the course of nature’s laws, and we are just making sense of it or finding happiness despite the natural course of things because our minds are blessed with new ideas or with comfort and peace despite the surroundings?

    What do you all think about how God blesses us in our lives?

    #224558
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    Wow. It’s interesting that you posted this because I have been thinking similar thoughts for a while now. I read the scriptures and hymns that promise that God will sustain and bless the faithful. The BofM uses that “prospereth” word. And I honestly can’t deny that I see that hand of the Lord woven in my life. But sometimes I wonder about the blessings of the Lord and wonder when you are doing all the Lord has asked to the best of ones ability and the promised blessings don’t seem to come. Is God truly bound? Or are all the blessings of the Lord given according to his will and pleasure? Or is it a blessing that hardships and death and torment comes to us? OR….is it an issue of faith?

    I kinda had to laugh with your lion description of being happy while the lions rip you to peices because sometimes the promises said at church feel just that flimsy. Other times I have experienced the truth of the scriptures where my burdens seemed lite and easy to me even though they didn’t go away.

    Trying to understand the balance of living in the conditions of fallen earth life and learning the refining lessons of how to do that and then how the blessings and prosperings of the Lord and all the obedience required is sometimes confusing and difficult for me……especially when the suffering has been long and relentless and I seem to be far past the fourth watch.

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    I realize with much of my faith…the motivating factor to be obedient is to get something.

    It’s hard not to seek after the blessings when it seems the Lord is telling us to and inviting us to and explaining that if we don’t seek them or see them we aren’t demonstrating faith. I mean, it would seem these blessings are the evidence…..or God’s way of showing us that He is there and that he keeps His word. I think we need the blessings so that we can learn to trust and to expand our reasons for exercizing faith in the first place. Perhaps there is the fear of selfishness or self interest here. I would think that gratitude and humility would be the antidote for that. Perhaps charity too.

    #224559
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    Fascinating topic, guys. What blessings can we reasonably expect from God? Well, maybe one of the secrets to life is the obliteration of expectations. You know, ditch the purse and script, and consider the lillies, and just go do god’s work.

    Problems usually don’t arise in the asking, I think, but in the disappointment when what I want isn’t granted.

    As I grow, I guess I’m adopting an ‘ask-away but don’t expect anything’ policy, just accept whatever comes. And this sounds harsh, or strange, because we’ve been taught that our prayers are answered as a measure of our faith. And this is a good teaching because it admonishes us to always, at least, turn to god. We just need to be reminded over and over to find meaning in the unanswered prayers, and forget the getting.

    I don’t know if God cares whether we’re financially secure, but he does want to strengthen our faith, make us better, more patient, charitable, kind, enduring, godlike. If we chase these virtues (seeking first the kingdom of God) instead of financial security/physcial health, etc, we’ll never be disappointed.

    Everyone that Christ healed eventually later got sick or injured and died, right? So what was the meaning behind the healings? Maybe to reward faith, or to teach faith, to show power, to give clear analogy for the healing of the soul… you name it. But we miss these lessons if we’re disappointed when we’re not healed. Everyone dies, gets sick, gets injured – it’s almost satanic to expect that god would protect us from that stuff because that expectation could blind us to the grand scheme of true happiness.

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    Heber13 wrote:

    I realize with much of my faith…the motivating factor to be obedient is to get something.

    Thanks for the thought-promoting topic, Heber! I’m going to be my diagonal self, and give my weird answer. At this point of my spiritual journey, I don’t see “God” as a separate entity. “He” is within. From that perspective, how could I really expect “Him” to give me anything, unless I get it myself? “I Am…God.”

    I know many “scriptures” may be interpreted to say something different, but many easily indicate this. It works for me. And if I have this belief as a foundation, I really can’t expect anything…and that gives me much peace.

    But that may be just me….

    ;)

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    Jordan wrote:

    Fascinating topic, guys. What blessings can we reasonably expect from God? Well, maybe one of the secrets to life is the obliteration of expectations. You know, ditch the purse and script, and consider the lillies, and just go do god’s work.

    Problems usually don’t arise in the asking, I think, but in the disappointment when what I want isn’t granted.

    As I grow, I guess I’m adopting an ‘ask-away but don’t expect anything’ policy, just accept whatever comes. And this sounds harsh, or strange, because we’ve been taught that our prayers are answered as a measure of our faith. And this is a good teaching because it admonishes us to always, at least, turn to god. We just need to be reminded over and over to find meaning in the unanswered prayers, and forget the getting.

    I don’t know if God cares whether we’re financially secure, but he does want to strengthen our faith, make us better, more patient, charitable, kind, enduring, godlike. If we chase these virtues (seeking first the kingdom of God) instead of financial security/physcial health, etc, we’ll never be disappointed.

    Everyone that Christ healed eventually later got sick or injured and died, right? So what was the meaning behind the healings? Maybe to reward faith, or to teach faith, to show power, to give clear analogy for the healing of the soul… you name it. But we miss these lessons if we’re disappointed when we’re not healed. Everyone dies, gets sick, gets injured – it’s almost satanic to expect that god would protect us from that stuff because that expectation could blind us to the grand scheme of true happiness.

    Thank you, Jordan. I appreciate this post. There is wisdom here.

    #224562
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    Fwiw, I have found that most of the recognition of blessings for me has occurred when I look back at my life and realize where I am compared to where I was previously. I believe in “enduring to the end” in a different way than most, probably, as I see it as the only way to see the height climbed – when you get to a vista and can look back on the beauty of your life. If I don’t endure the climb, I don’t get to see those vistas – and I don’t realize how blessed I’ve been.

    Don’t get me wrong. Sometimes, I have experienced blessings quickly – even immediately. However, the most breathtaking blessings have been hidden by my myopia and only have come into view with some distance.

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    Old-Timer wrote:

    Sometimes, I have experienced blessings quickly – even immediately. However, the most breathtaking blessings have been hidden by my myopia and only have come into view with some distance.


    So do you credit God for providing the view to you personally or is it that you are grateful you have climbed high enough to see what is already there, waiting to be viewed by those who ascend to your level? By that, I mean…the former is more evidence of God’s intervention in your personal situation, and the latter is still evidence of God’s love for you but with less direct intervention (as I see it). :?

    #224564
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    Heber, I had a powerful spiritual experience about your questions once when I left the church that you can read about in my intro. I will cut and paste the most important part here:

    You see I had been doing all the right things in the church, (paying tithing, going to the temple, etc. etc) but none of the blessings seemed to be coming. In fact everything had gotten worse. My kids were in trouble and my husband did not get his raise, the car and washer broke down, and now he left the church. Where we all the blasted blessings they kept preaching about from the pulpit. Then I came across some anti-Mormon stuff from the Tanners that quoted out of church history and Journal of Discourses. For the first time I thought that the church might be false.

    This 7th day adventist pastor handed me a little book called “The 5 Day Plan to Know God.” As I was reading, it talked about how the Jews were waiting for their Messiah to come save them from all their trials. When he came and told them he came to save them from their sins not their problems they were ticked off. A light bulb went off in me and I realized I was like those early Jews waiting for God to save me from all my problems. Suddenly I realized I had been living the gospel for the wrong reasons. I knew immediately that the only thing I should be concerned about is being saved from my sins and that is why Jesus died for me.

    With this paradigm change, I no longer live the commandments to get blessings, but to see how it is helping me overcome my sins and become more Christlike. I have had to do the same thing in regards to my husband and kids. If I do nice things for them in order for them to do things for me, I am usually disappointed. But, if I simply do them with no forethought of ‘whats in it for me,’ I am often pleasantly surprised.

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    So do you credit God for providing the view to you personally or is it that you are grateful you have climbed high enough to see what is already there,


    BOTH.

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    waiting to be viewed by those who ascend to your level?

    It’s not so much “ascending to my level” as much as it is pausing to look back occasionally and realizing the blessings that are visible only as an accumulation of otherwise invisible blessings – seeing the beauty of the forest by stepping outside the cover of the trees.

    Some blessings have been obvious and immediate; most have not – and some of the most obvious have not been immediate. Two, in particular, took multiple years to occur and be recognizable as blessings. If I had not “endured to the end”, in a sense, I would never have experienced or recognized those particular blessings – which really are two of the most astounding manifestations of God’s existence and love I have experienced.

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    bridget_night wrote:

    With this paradigm change, I no longer live the commandments to get blessings, but to see how it is helping me overcome my sins and become more Christlike. I have had to do the same thing in regards to my husband and kids. If I do nice things for them in order for them to do things for me, I am usually disappointed. But, if I simply do them with no forethought of ‘whats in it for me,’ I am often pleasantly surprised.

    LOVE this. The grand plan is to lose ourselves. Charity vs selfishness. Commandments are not means by which we can bind god, but tools to become better.

    It gives new and instant meaning to all answered and unanswered prayers, all received and unreceived blessings.

    #224567
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    Fantastic topic, Heber. And I absolutely love what everyone’s said. I agree with it all.

    I feel that God has literally blessed us with everything we could ever want. We just don’t seek it, or we don’t see it, or we sabotage ourselves due to a lack of emotional health. It’s all there! Waiting for us. Maybe we don’t really want it. Or we don’t want to let go of our “baggage”.

    I know whenever I say this it sounds crass. But even the trials are a blessing. We are here to learn and progress, after all. It’s not supposed to be milk and honey.

    And, I must say, the inverse of this question can be quite damaging. The concept that trials and tribulations are an outcome of disobedience. I know, we claim that that’s not the case, but if you believe that blessings are brought by obedience, then you may harbor a deep-seated belief that trials come from disobedience. I just don’t buy that.

    So, to answer the question of the OP: God has literally blessed me with everything I could ever want, could ever learn, could ever be. Do I accept those blessings? That’s yet another lesson I will always be learning.

    btw, the greatest blessing is life. In fact, today. In fact, this very minute. Viva la vida!

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    swimordie wrote:

    I feel that God has literally blessed us with everything we could ever want. We just don’t seek it, or we don’t see it, or we sabotage ourselves due to a lack of emotional health. It’s all there! Waiting for us. Maybe we don’t really want it. Or we don’t want to let go of our “baggage”.


    I like this thought, Swim.

    I think my expectations should be based at a greater level than just specific expecations on this or that. I think I should have expectations on the long-term and eternal vision of my potential, not on today’s mortal circumstances. I guess what I mean is that instead of expecting blessings the way I want them, I should have faith that God is concerned with my soul and so will sometimes provide temporal blessings to teach me certain lessons, and will sometimes not interfere with laws of nature because other blessings can come from allowing me to deal with my own circumstances.

    In this way, it is just as you said, Swim. The blessings are always there for us if we are tuned in to know how to best read them. Some may call that just explaining things away…but explaining everything away can really sabotage the real blessings that are waiting for me that are real.

    I like to believe my mortal experience will have real tests, real blessings, and real bitter and sweet opposites to experience.

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