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December 1, 2009 at 12:47 am #204587
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GuestI’ve been pondering several questions for some time now, but have had a difficult time finding words that make sense. Please forgive me if I fail in my attempt. Recently I asked DH if our Heavenly Parents are continuing to create spirit children. If they are, then would that not mean these spirit children have no choice whether they will follow Jesus Christ or Satan given the fact they did not participate in the war in heaven? Please understand I’m not suggesting that I would want any spirit children to follow Satan. I’ve just been wondering if these additional spirit children will automatically be born to earthly parents to receive a body.
If our Heavenly Parents are no longer creating spirit children, then would it be possible that there will come a time when the birth of children here on earth will come to an end since every spirit child will have received a body?
I do hope I’ve made sense with my questions. I would appreciate your thoughts.
December 1, 2009 at 1:12 am #225696Anonymous
GuestIt was once explained to me that Mormon Doctrine is such that we believe there is never an end to the eternal increase of our Heavenly Parents – thus, they are still having kids. I’ve had it explained that we believe there are multiple earths and that Christ only came here, but that his sacrifice extends to all of those other earths.
I’ve also heard that we believe in waves of creations – where there is a war in heaven, a christ and satan chosen (or self-selected as the case may be), and then worlds populated with the children that participated in the war in heaven. After all those pass away, and God continues to have more kids, there is another war in heaven, with another Christ chosen, etc. worlds without end.
December 1, 2009 at 2:01 am #225697Anonymous
GuestI don’t think that you’ll find a doctrinal answer to your question. I think based on what makes the most sense in a basic LDS framework is that spirit children must choose to go through a mortal experience. Then either HF is no longer continuing to create spirit children or He is and they are not coming to Earth. I personally think that it makes more sense that HF is continuing to create spirit children. However, I don’t believe in the idea that there are multiple planets where HF sends his children but only one Christ. It doesn’t resonate with me. So if HF is done creating spirit children, I figure that He’ll be in more of a heavenly grandfather kind of role. However, it makes the most sense to me that HF is continuing to create spirit children and that those created will go through a life cycle similar to the plan of salvation.
That’s what I think on the matter. But I have no real basis for these beliefs and the answer to the question has no real relevance to the how I conduct myself so I don’t think it really matters. But interesting.
December 1, 2009 at 3:37 am #225698Anonymous
GuestI am not aware of an authoritative answer that delves down to that fine of detail into this area of Mormon creation mythology. Any answers are from our own meditation on the subject. I would tend to think the most likely is some form of batch creation. Like Nightwaldem, I also would think it more probable that there are multiple “saviors” for each batch/world. That would get real crazy for prophets trying to teach people that their savior died for them on another planet somewhere, eons in the past or future. What kind of scripture would they have? The NT and BofM both talk about Christ’s life and ministry on this planet.
So yeah, I would think Gods continue creation indefinitely. Who knows really? *shrug* Perhaps after Gods get done with a batch, they move on to some activity beyond creating duplicate Gods that is far beyond anything even proto-Gods can imagine. That’s a far out concept. I think of an episode of Star Trek where the Q were all standing perfectly still in 20th century period clothing in a gas station in a virtual desert in the American south west (or something like that, my memory is hazy). They just stand there frozen in place for thousands of years contemplating or experiencing something they can’t even explain to non-Q, but it is vastly important to them.
December 1, 2009 at 4:28 am #225699Anonymous
GuestMy thought on this has little or nothing to do with what the church doctrine may or may not be. (I’ve never read anything that approached this subject) My personal concept is one earth, one “God”, one time, hope it lasts forever. Or, one “God” per earth, in perpetuity throughout the universe.
December 1, 2009 at 7:09 pm #225700Anonymous
GuestI have no idea, Kalola. Sorry, that’s all I’ve got.
December 1, 2009 at 10:32 pm #225701Anonymous
GuestWell, according to Moses there are many earths. I am not sure any of us can comprehend what eternal increase really looks like, but if there are more spirit children being created, I would think they would be assigned to a different earth. Doesn’t make sense to me that the war in heaven and information presented there wouldn’t include everyone that was associated with this earth. Angels for example are people who are associated with this earth. Moroni, for example, wouldn’t be deployed to another earth. How’s that for a best guess?
December 2, 2009 at 7:04 pm #225702Anonymous
GuestI agree with Poppy as well as with everyone who said we have no idea. But the other thing that comes to mind is that “spirit children” are created (with spirit bodies?) to provide a home for “intelligences” and that “intelligences” have always existed. So, what is an “intelligence”? I picture some sort of blobby gelatinous muck floating about in space. So, where do “intelligences” come from? Were they scraped off some being’s shoe? (sounds like the type of discussion one has while passing a joint around). December 2, 2009 at 7:59 pm #225703Anonymous
GuestPoppyseed’s explanation sounds good but, alas, we just don’t have enough info. I’ve always thought of “intelligence” as ever-expanding/growing….this might be a constant need/supply of “fresh” spirit children.
Just a guess….
December 2, 2009 at 8:21 pm #225704Anonymous
GuestI think we Mormons take too many things literally…and often get really conflicted when a teaching doesn’t jive with reality (whatever that is 😆 ). So my answer is, look at the whole “purpose of life,” and eternal plan of salvation” as metaphor and create what works for you.But that’s just how it works for me….
December 2, 2009 at 10:28 pm #225705Anonymous
GuestBruce in Montana wrote:Poppyseed’s explanation sounds good but, alas, we just don’t have enough info.
I’ve always thought of “intelligence” as ever-expanding/growing….this might be a constant need/supply of “fresh” spirit children.
Just a guess….
Yes, I’m not sure of the concept of “intelligence” or if there are several concepts of it, but I believe God is perfect and does not get smarter or more powerful…but his eternal progression includes an increase in Glory, and that Glory increases through increased family.Eternity is a puzzling concept to me.
No beginning, no end, no getting bored of the same ol’ same ol’, no retirement from providing salvation, never an empty nest. Hmm.
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