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February 5, 2010 at 7:17 am #204739
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GuestHi, One more post and I hope this is ok to post. I have never really talked about this before ever but it’s something that really makes me feel uneasy.
Ok a little background info first. I got married when I was 18 right out of high school in the temple. Before I got married my mom would tell me that if other people in the ward did not get married in the temple they did not deserve any gifts or reception. She also said she would not attend. I also had (ok I know your going to think I am extremely stupid now) no idea or I did not realize that I was promising to do anything. I didn’t even know I had to go to the temple before I got married. I thought the temple was just like church. I had a picture of a temple in my room my whole life framed and I was told that I wanted to get married there and it would be the best day of my life or the happiest. I truly believed if I did not get married in the temple that not only my parents buy my whole family would not love me at all. I also didn’t think it was a big deal. Before I went I looked forward to going and thought it would be the best day of my whole entire life and that I would have the best spiritual experience of my life. Only thing was when I got there my mom wouldn’t talk to me and when I asked her questions she ignored me and just said that you can’t talk in the temple. This went on thru the whole thing. She also said some things that I later found out were not true regarding the temple and also told me 10 minutes before that I was in big trouble if I was on my period because I can’t have anything to help with that. Once I got in the temple I felt horrible just being around and with my family and got depressed when I thought I never want to be with my family forever. I just had this really bad feeling being around my mom. ( My mom was abusive and extremely controlling at the time) and when I got to the last room I just couldn’t hold back tears. Not because I was happy but sad. I feel so bad saying this and I do not want to offend anyone and I am not always sure how to express my feelings with out offending. (sorry)
So now after I went thru one time years ago I feel horrible because I feel like now I am bound to go to hell. I never wanted to go thru and I never wanted to promise anything. I feel like the church is not a blessing but maybe something bad for me. I don’t want my temple covenants and never wanted them. I know it’s my fault but I had no idea. The bishop never even gave me the temple book and I feel bad that not one person told me more or even gave me any idea what I was about to do. I didn’t even know you had to wear garments. My mom wore them but I thought it was all personal preference. Now I am left wondering am I or will I be more blessed if I do something drastic so that I am not punished for temple stuff? Oh yeah I read something online that if you break a covenant something really bad will happen and I don’t know I am just confused. Does everyone keep covenants?
Also, I hate feeling like I have to do things out of fear because I lived my whole life out of fear of my mom doing everything she said and it got me no where and I learned nothing. I was also very depressed and not happy. Of course this may be different. I am kind of confused about something in my blessing and I really want to ask because I don’t know what to think about it. One part says that I will be protected if I keep temple covenants until I am supposed to die and I really just don’t feel good at all about the temple and don’t even want to THINK about it. Now everytime I go to the doctor I think I am going to have cancer and I always think god is going to kill me. I feel so depressed and frankly I just don’t even want to live when I think about this stuff or feel this way. I guess it’s hard to explain and I didn’t explain it all but hopefully enough for someone to understand me. I am just so sad and have so much anxiety.
THanks again and sorry this was so long.
February 5, 2010 at 8:05 am #227456Anonymous
GuestYou did a wonderful job of describing one of the biggest tragedy in the church. It sounds like you are one of those folks that are dragged to the temple with out any information either for the temple or marriage. They are a number of very caring people that will soon be here to comfort. I’m so angry about the needless suffering you have had to endure. I am a fixer not a comforter I am a fixer and there are some people in your past that need fixing. In reality the only thing that any of us can fix is ourselves. You may find it helpful to talk to your Dr. there may well be medical reasons for your anxiety and depression. The next thing is to find a good counselor and/or group to work with. There is one thing I would like to say about the Temple. Sorry to be so vague. There are blessings there not only for forgiveness of the sins we may have commited but blessings to free us from the sins commited against us. My love and prayers be with you may you find peace.
KK
February 5, 2010 at 11:02 am #227457Anonymous
GuestDear Mormonmom, Your covenants are not with the Temple, they are not with the LDS Church, your covenants are with Christ. The very first covenant you made with Christ was when you were 8. It was your baptism. Do you remember it? Then. . . . one each week you renew that covenant through partaking of the sacrament. You witness unto Christ that you will always remember Him and keep His commandments which He has given you may have His Spirit to be with you. The bad thing that happens when we break our covenants is that we lose His Spirit until we repent.
Your marriage covenant is a vow. Are you honoring it? Are you faithful to your spouse? |Yes, I’m sure you are!! You have nothing to fear. You have nothing to worry about. Christ does not teach us fear. He admonishes us to “fear not”. It is faith, not fear that leads us to Christ.
I’m sorry about your wedding day. You love him, | hope. That’s all that matters. God bless.
February 5, 2010 at 3:17 pm #227458Anonymous
GuestMormonmom, I am so very sorry you had to go through what you did. I can’t even imagine it. You were young and you didn’t even know what you were doing. I believe that God is a loving God. He knows you and loves you just for who you are.
February 5, 2010 at 3:34 pm #227459Anonymous
GuestThanks Wallace, peace and joy and Konvert Kid. I am faithful I just always worried about all the other stuff. Like are you breaking a a covenant if you don’t pay full tithing? Does that mean I won’t have god’s spirit? Also I guess I never thought it was to Christ for some reason but why would people do something like make covenants if it’s going to really hurt them if they break one? Wouldn’t that not be smart since we all make mistakes and don’t a lot of people not pay full tithing at times? Is there any way I can have temple stuff removed so I don’t have to worry? I just don’t understand how it’s blessing me now but I guess it will be after I die? (I don’t know) I am just not feeling peace about it and if I could go back in time I would never goto the temple. I have always hoped that God won’t punish me for something I never knew about or wanted in the first place. But maybe I only have to worry about being faithful to husband? I don’t know it’s just so confusing.
I will try to remember that God is loving. Thanks!
February 5, 2010 at 7:25 pm #227460Anonymous
Guestmormonmom: Your story is so sad and, unfortunately, rather common. You were raised in an emotionally abusive home, with the church being one of the tools of emotional abuse. You connected the dots that the church = God and so, as an adult you feel all of those teachings about “obedience or else” as a part of the whole system.
As adults, we allow ourselves to be abused. If we were raised in abusive homes, this is natural and even feels “right”, even though it tears us up inside. As kids, we had no choice but to be abused. And, we adapt to the abuse, making sure that our abuser is always happy with us because we want, more than anything, to gain approval from our abuser. This is co-dependency.
Our emotional health is being dictated by an outside source. In most of our cases growing up in the church, it is our parents and the “church”. In reality, it’s the community/culture of the church, not the actual church. If you draw a literal connection between the church and God, then in some ways you may feel co-dependent on God. That’s super tricky and, if you see Him as vengeful, jealous, all-powerful, giving blessings to the obedient and punishing the sinners, you again are being manipulated emotionally by an “external” force.
I’ve said it alot but it’s worth repeating: I was almost exactly where you are though it looked different on the outside. On the inside, I felt exactly as you do. My biggest turning point was recognizing that I am the way I am because of emotional abuse growing up and then discovering the book “Codependent No More” by Melody Beattie. That dual enlightenment finally put me on the path of real emotional health, real self-esteem, real self-love, and, most importantly, real joy. Even in hard times.
The thread on co-dependency:
http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1115 Good luck! Hang in there! Keep talking about it, keep searching, keep trying, and love yourself! It’s so important for you to love yourself unconditionally. You are a good person. You’re not going to offend God, no matter what. He put His light in you and He trusts you. And, all that other stuff, is not your fault. It’s not your fault.
February 5, 2010 at 8:24 pm #227461Anonymous
Guestmormonmom wrote:I read something online that if you break a covenant something really bad will happen…
Also, I hate feeling like I have to do things out of fear because I lived my whole life out of fear of my mom doing everything she said and it got me no where and I learned nothing..
The gospel is a gospel of LOVE not a gospel of fear. I don’t think you grow in fear and depression.You grow from love and the courage to do the right thing, despite our fears.Despite your unfortunate background with parents and teachers and leaders not preparing you adequately, you now have the power to learn from that and decide how to move forward. Do not get caught up in the past that you have no control over. Do not fear for the future and if brings negative consequences because you have no control over the future either. You do have the ability to choose NOW, choose this day what you can and want to do.
Perhaps there is a new opportunity to return to the temple with a new, more mature perspective…more prepared now to find out really what it is all about and what value there is, and what covenants are really all about. Why do some people love it, and some not care for it? What are symbolic messages that become personal stories in your life? Perhaps you have a different path not including temple service while you seek God’s love or His peace outside the temple. Perhaps there are other young women who need you to prepare them properly, and your experience becomes a blessing of helping others.
Once I was able to relax, and allow myself to be ok the way I am, and find peace in the NOW instead of fear of the past or future, I was able to be still, and know that God is real in my life. And it has made all the difference for me. I found God is ok with me experimenting and testing things, just like the missionaries teach investigators. I stopped paying tithing. I found I was blessed in my career and my money situation in life, and so I’ve started paying tithing again. I stopped attending church, and I found God in nature, now I attend church again. I went through periods of reading the scriptures and praying daily, and then not reading and praying daily. I found life was pretty much the same. I wondered then if anything at all matters if it was the same…and what I found out is, I do want to be a part of the church and serve others and go to church with my family…not because I have to or I’m going to hell, but I want to in order to keep learning things about myself.
Like Swim talks about, once you can break a co-dependency for approval from others, you can find that God approves of us right now the way we are…and then just prompts us to decide what to do next. I keep covenants because I want to and I want to show God that I want to. I think He would love me just the same even if I didn’t…He knows my heart.
Quote:Turn your face to the sun, and you find the shadows fall behind you.
I wish the best for you as you make your way through your situation, and I think it is important to follow your heart on what you think is best for you.
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. I hope you know you have friends here to help you.
February 5, 2010 at 9:39 pm #227462Anonymous
GuestWow Mormonmom … I feel so bad for you. All I can say is you had about the WORST preparation for the temple experience possible, worse than having no preparation. You had so many issues wrapped up with a poor relationship with your mother, and zero preparation on even knowing what you were getting into. As someone else already said, it’s a tragedy. I know this is far easier to say than do, but please do try to realize that you are just fine. You are loved and completely accepted by God just as you are right now. You really need to forget the whole temple thing and go way back a few steps to process all that. Seriously, you might even want to get some counseling or at least find a good friend to talk to. We’re always here too.
The temple should never be that way. Sorry to say this about your mom and be judgmental, but she clearly doesn’t “get it.” She probably understands it less than you do. Try to have compassion for her if you can, but please try to distance yourself from the perspective she gave you. The temple is a symbolic experience. There is actually a lot of cool ideas there. But you have to be in the right frame of mind to appreciate it. It’s not supposed to be a trap
😯 God isn’t in the business of collecting on contracts like some mafia thug (aka temple covenants). He isn’t going to do anything to you except love you patiently and wait for you to grow in enlightenment. You are going to be just fine. Do your best, be a good person as best you can, and try.
YOU ARE GOING TO BE JUST FINE.
February 6, 2010 at 3:58 am #227463Anonymous
GuestMormonmom, you are OK, and God loves you endlessly the way you are. “To any doth he say depart? No, but he invites all to come and partake freely of salvation.” “Come my brethren, every one who is thirsty, come to the waters. And he who has no money, come buy and eat. Yes, come buy wine and milk without money and without price.” I am so sorry to hear of your tragic experience, and I hope the connections you are making here are a important part of your healing and learning about yourself. And Heber13, yours was an incredibly beautiful message, especially this paragraph, I thought:
Heber13 wrote:what I found out is, I do want to be a part of the church and serve others and go to church with my family…not because I have to or I’m going to hell, but I want to in order to keep learning things about myself.
February 6, 2010 at 6:17 am #227464Anonymous
Guestmormonmom – sorry you are having such a bad experience. You’ve got some good advice here from several. The only thing I will add is that people who have been endowed are not going to live sin free for the rest of their lives. That’s an impossibly high standard. We take the sacrament every week to “renew” covenants – because we are not perfect. Not being perfect is what it means to be human. Learning, growing and progressing is the best we can do – that is godliness. I also recommend you consider some form of counseling for the abusive conditioning you describe. That’s not something easy to just think yourself out of. It takes a lot of work to overcome shame, guilt and feelings of worthlessness and hopelessness. Frankly, I think Brian hit the nail on the head when he described the view of the temple your mother seems to espouse – that covenants are a trap, and once you make them you are locked to her forever. Her job is now done. She can stop feeling inadequate and afraid that she has not been a good enough mother. But those are her issues to work through, not yours. Unfortunately, feelings of shame and inadequacy are often passed on from generation to generation. Mormon Therapist can be a great resource if you seek some advice about dealing with those feelings. She answers email questions on her site, and she also does individual consultation for a fee. I highly recommend her.
Either way, know that you will not always feel the same way you do now. Focus on the positives: your husband and marriage (provided he is a support to you), determining your own personal feelings and/or relationship with God, learning to let go of your fears and feelings of inadequacy, and eventually learning to realize that your mother, although abusive, probably was doing the best she could with what she knew (her mother may have been the same with her). In time you will learn to forgive her and see her through the eyes of experience and understanding. And hopefully you will break the cycle of shame and fear for your own children. Best of luck to you in your endeavor!
February 6, 2010 at 2:35 pm #227465Anonymous
GuestI can only echo what everyone else has said – with one additional note: What you describe is not unique to Mormonism – or even religion. Unfortunately, it simply is part of the natural world in which we live. I believe what I call “pure Mormonism” teaches against it, but many Mormons (just like others) haven’t gotten and internalized that particular memo.
Find a good counselor, if you can (Mormon Therapist is excellent), or a non-judgmental and wise friend. Start dealing with these things from a “professional/analytical” level. It won’t be easy, and it won’t be quick – but it will be worth it.
February 7, 2010 at 2:28 pm #227466Anonymous
GuestSwimordie: Thanks for the link to the post co-dependant no more. I will have to look into the book Codependant no more. Brian: Thanks for understand me Brian. I don’t think anyone else I would have talked to would be that nice. And when you said mafia thug that made me laugh. Thanks. And yes, my mom doesn’t get it. I just remembered she also had panic attacks the whole time we were there and I found out after I got out she had not been to the temple in 10 years or more or something like that.
Counseling is a good idea. I don’t have insurance but when I do I will try that.
Thank you everyone else for all the great responses.
February 8, 2010 at 2:35 am #227467Anonymous
Guest((((hugs)))) I am so sorry for your suffering!
God is love. I’m not sure what to say beyond that. I don’t believe in a God of wrath.
Welcome to the board!
February 8, 2010 at 4:32 am #227468Anonymous
GuestI support everything that has been said by the previous responses. Now I want to go into the doctrine of covenants. In order for a covenant to be binding on earth and in heaven, it must have 3 elements: 1. It must be performed. You must go through the ceremony, such as baptism or the endowment or sealing ordinance; 2. It must be entered into. This means that you BRING your life into accordance with the conditions of the covenants. This is the hardest part, and it takes some people many years to get this far. It means that you come to the point where you stand as a witness of Christ in all things and in all places. The atonement helps us do this, but remember, I said it might take years to get this far. You aren’t expected to be perfect right now, just try; And 3. It must be sealed by the holy spirit of promise. That is the Holy Ghost permanently binding the seal that was temporarily placed on your covenant when it was first performed to sustain you through your entering into your covenant. This doesn’t have to happen before you die, so don’t worry about that. Just keep living your life the best you can (and your best is not perfection no matter what anyone thinks) and work on building a personal relationship with your Heavenly Father and learn to recognize the Holy Ghost in your life. Someday you may go back through the temple, and feel the healing power of the Atonement as you come to realize that the temple is a place of Love and not of Fear. Don’t let phrases like “bring upon yourselves the judgments of a just God, for God will not be mocked) get to you. You don’t need to have your temple ordinances undone until you are ready, but if you don’t feel up to it, then take off your garments if they make you uncomfortable, and when you feel like you are ready to TRY to live according to the temple covenants (notice that I didn’t say LIVE the temple covenants) then you should meet with your bishop and renew your recommend and go back. No matter what you think you may have done or will do, your Heavenly Father loves you. And he gave you a very imperfect earthly mother to teach and raise you. She got it wrong, but the Savior’s Atonement can help you. I promise. -
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