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  • #204877
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    There was a big article in the Arizona Republic on Sunday about a mom’s struggle with her Mormon convert son’s temple marriage and her not being allowed to witness it.

    http://www.azcentral.com/community/scottsdale/articles/2010/03/29/20100329mormon-temple-wedding-family-not-allowed.html

    My DW read it and was wondering why in some countries the church waives the one year waiting period for couples who must marry civilly. I had some old TBM standard answers that sounded ludicrous to my DW (and, frankly, to me too once I stated them).

    Anyone know the history/tradition/doctrine/purpose of the one year waiting period?

    (Ironically, DW’s parents married civilly and then were sealed a year later, I guess it never came up as a topic of discussion in her house…)

    #228949
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    I read this article as well. It made me very sad.

    My temple marriage (17 years ago) was very bittersweet. None of my siblings, cousins or friends were able to attend because the had not yet been through the temple. My grandparents whom I loved dearly could not attend because they were not members. The ceremony itself was a train wreck! The man who married us was a lifelong neighbor, my former stake president, stake patriarch and current temple president. He seemed like a good choice. Before he would marry us (and in front of everyone) he spent about 20 minutes trying to talk us out of getting married! It was awkward, uncomfortable, and down right upsetting. Finally and reluctantly he married us. It wasn’t until later I learned that that same morning he had learned that another couple he had married the week before had decided to have their marriage annulled, and he took his frustrations out on us!

    I truly believe that such a special day should be shared with ALL of your loved ones, regardless of there faith. I would LOVE to see the temple open to ALL for wedding ceremonies.

    swimordie wrote:

    My DW read it and was wondering why in some countries the church waives the one year waiting period for couples who must marry civilly.

    It was my understanding that these are the countries in which it is required by law to have a civil ceremony because our temple marriages are not considered legally binding.The church therefore does not “punish” them by making them wait a year. (I heard in England you only have 24 hrs to get your fanny to the temple or wait 1 year. Not everyone has a temple nearby!) I think as long as you were “temple worthy” this would be a great policy everywhere! (I don’t think a time limit should be imposed either) I know I would have definitely been interested in having a civil ceremony if I knew I could also have a Temple ceremony soon after. The thing is… there is a stigma attached to those who get married civilly, and then have to wait a year. It is assumed that they were unworthy, and a lot of speculating about immorality. I spent my whole life preparing for a temple marriage, so I certainly did not want people thinking I wasn’t worthy.

    #228950
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    Imo, the waiting period grew out of an understandable desire to make sure of three things:

    1) Unmarried couples who found out they were pregnant couldn’t get married in the temple. That is more of the “punishment” mode, but I understand totally the idea of a “grace period” for repentance (“change of priority” in this case) to occur.

    2) People who had no real testimony and commitment to the Church and/or the Gospel couldn’t convert then get married in the temple immediately just to please a potential spouse. That is more of a “slow down the hormones” mode.

    3) New converts couldn’t make the covenants that are central to the ceremony without adequate time to undertand them adequately. That’s more of a “protection” mode.

    I have no real issues with those general concepts and concerns, but I agree that these restrictions shouldn’t play a role in situations where otherwise worthy, mature and knowledgable members are involved. I would love to see the rules relaxed to allow for a reasonable time frame between a civil marriage first and a temple sealing next anywhere in the world – say, a week or even a month to give time to travel to a temple, since that time frame is necessary in some situations. I also would love to see an open allowance (or even encouragement) of a civil ceremony following a temple sealing, if the desired emphasis needs to remain on the sealing being the “primary and original” ceremony. I understand that concern, and I have no real problem with it – but I also see no problem in a civil ceremony that does not imply in any way that the previous temple sealing was not “valid” as a marrige.

    We allow couples to “renew their vows” without much concern, even if that is a bit unorthodox within Mormonism. Doing so a few days or weeks after the sealing really isn’t any different at its core than doing it after 20 or 50 years.

    #228951
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    There’s no “waiting penalty” anywhere else because all other countries require marriages to be performed in a public setting or they are not considered lawful marriage contracts. I have a feeling that more and more part-member/part-active families in the U.S. are going to become aware of this … and it will become harder and harder for the Church to come up justifications that satisfy.

    I am really not saying this out of anger, perhaps a touch of my rebellious streak, but I would advise my children to get married civilly and wait out the one year (if that was even an issue). That’s my personal view. I would personally like to see more people “rebel” in that way. There honestly isn’t even some terrible theological risk in it. It’s not like people can’t be “sealed” later if somehow both spouses happened to die during that 1 year.

    Others can feel to disagree. Like I said, this isn’t something I let myself get all bent out of shape over. I *totally* understand how angry it makes other people. I went through a lot of that nonsense when I got married, trying to arrange a “ring ceremony” and even that was kind of squashed, making it very uncomfortable for me and my wife with all our non-member, extended family traveling hundreds of miles to come to the wedding.

    #228952
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    I personally think everyone should get married civilly first and then go to the temple. If the church is petty enough to make you wait a year then OK wait a year. It really is no big deal. If you are going to the temple because of some perceived peer pressure then you are going for the wrong reason anyway. I sent three children through the temple to get married while I was still TBM. For my family it was no big deal because almost everyone who wanted to attend could, except for younger siblings. But if I did it today I would tell them there is no problem with getting married civilly first. No problem at all. In fact I would recommend it for a couple of reasons. First the wedding day is very exciting and stressful at the same time, do not add the temple experience on top of it. Second I actually think the temple ceremony would have more meaning if you went through after a year and had the day set aside just for that. Then it truly would be a spiritual session and not just a step on the way to the honeymoon.

    I am afraid I believe the church uses the temple very much as a control mechanism to keep the saints faithful. The pressure to go to the temple and keep a recommend your whole life is what keeps everyone obeying the rules. Which is OK if you choose to be a participating member, but it still punishes good family members who can not attend.

    I agree more members need to start rebelling and just go the civil route first.

    #228953
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    IMO, the waiting period is a good thing for people converting to the church to get taught about church things and have temple prep classes to prepare for the temple. More preparation is better than less, IMO.

    There is so much to adapt to and become familiar with when joining the church, that the 1 year waiting period can be a good thing.

    For those who were members their whole life, I would hope there would be preparation for the temple enough that they don’t need to be married civilly first. (that’s a big hope that I take as my responsibility as a father to prepare them for).

    I hope my kids start their marriage with temple covenants and not have the mentality, “we’ll see if it is working, then take our eternal commitments”. Hopefully, they do all they can to find out if the person they are choosing is who they really want to be with for all eternity before getting married, even if I’m not sure they are old enough to think through that completely, I’m not sure it would be different in 1 year’s time anyway.

    I like the idea that one is starting marriage with the long term view, and that those converting have time to prepare.

    #228954
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    Ok, logged on for the first time in weeks and this topic is a hot one for me. I was temple married my first go ’round, civilly the second. Having our kids and families there for the second wedding was soooooo much more (I hate this word, but nothing fits better…) special. I’m with a few others and believe that this is a huge PR negative for the church — particularly one that professes family togetherness and unity. More and more, there will be part-member families, and this “policy” will be seen as divisive and coercive…and certainly unnecessary.

    The way I look at it is that a wedding can be viewed as a family event…where parents and siblings observe the vows as witnesses. It serves as a family bonding experience. I understand the sacredness and spiritual nature of the sealing ceremony for those that believe in such…and am even comfortable with the requirement to have “like-minded” believers only at the event.

    But it seems so simple to separate the two — the sealing being focused on the eternal nature of the relationship along with the commitments to “worthiness” as viewed by the participants. Just as the church professes that the temple sealing is necessary for “eternal marriage,” it seems natural to have a separate ceremony for that from the “earthly” wedding rituals that all can participate.

    But that’s just how I see it…and I never claimed to be normal.

    :D

    #228955
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    I, as a convert, (obviously? LOL) had none of my family at my temple wedding. Only my DHs. Honestly? It didn’t bother me that much. In the grand scheme of life, my wedding day and my marriage is between/about me, my husband, and God. If we could have done it with just us and the sealer, I would have. If my In-laws had offered to stand outside with my family (like in that article) I would have made sure that they did, LOL.

    #228956
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    Just to be clear, there are two one-year waiting periods:

    1. In the U.S., couples who are married in a civil ceremony first have to wait one year to be sealed in the temple.

    2. New adult converts have to wait one year before they can go through the temple to take out their own endowments (which can coincide with their temple marriage).

    I am definitely in favor of the second one. The temple ceremonies are important enough that I think someone needs a more firm base in the LDS religion before being able to understand and appreciate the temple. I have no problem with that “waiting period.”

    #228957
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    I was also disadvantaged by this one year waiting period policy.

    My family were somewhat against the Church, but only because they were born again/evangelical and had their share of Anti-Mormon literature. But they weren’t against me personally. But when they weren’t allowed in the temple, and I didn’t allow the civil marriage, that’s when their opposition turned from the Church, to me personally. My Dad expressed just how much the decision I made to go straight to the temple ceremony broke his heart. My sister tells me that event really created a stumblingblock for my parents to get over. And of course, it sealed their belief in the Church as an unhealthy controlling interest.

    I haven’t really been part of the family for years now. They talk to me when I call, but never come to visit, and are very against the Church. I hear about events that go on and I’m not advised or invited. It also breaks meyheart, although they do communicate with me on non-Church matters if I reach out.

    I honestly feel the One Year Waiting Period alienates non-member families when they could be made to feel more part of the union by at least having a civil ceremony first, and then the sealing on the same day. And the reason — that the sanctity of the temple is paramount, is weak symbolism in my view for the price paid by non-member families. For me, the sanctity and primacy of the temple sealing is found in the fact that you have to have a temple recommend, only temple recommend holders can be there, and the overall experience of the temple. Also, the fact that the cermony is for eternity. The civil ceremony doesn’t hold a candle to it, so a civil ceremony in no way besmirches the sealing ceremony, in my view.

    The actual exclusion of family members only puts a blemish on the day. The ring ceremony was a bit of an insult to my parents, and so we didn’t have one because they rejected the idea.

    Also, the policy that you have to choose between a temple marriage now or a civil marriage followed by the waiting period later, also introduces risk that people who opt for a civil wedding to respect their parents, won’t get married in the temple at all.

    Everyone knows the first year of marriage can be tough with some couples, notwithstanding the great love they may feel when married. In our case, a physical problem developed in the first year of marriage that lasted over a decade; we could’ve had our marriage annulled. But we had made an eternal commitment and stuck it out, and eventually overcame the problem. If we had’ve gone with the civil ceremony, we both believe we would’ve divorced, the problem was so great. The One Year Waiting Period introduced a bad choice option (delaying temple marriage) that may well have destroyed our relationship had we chosen it to make our non-member parents happy. And for me, it’s an unnecessary risk.

    I see the policy as potentially destructive and definitely a hindrance to bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man due to a) the way it alienates non-member families from the Church who might otherwise remain friendly to the church and b) the way it introduces the risk of never going to the temple for marriage in couples who have unexpected problems that develop during the One Year Waiting Period.

    I accept it on faith, but it’s one policy that really disturbs me. I hope it changes eventually……

    Do you think it would help if a person wrote to Salt Lake on this issue, or would it simply be deemed apostate and generate a form letter. We don’t usually object to policies in the Church, given the stressing of obedience, so I wonder if the letter would be worth the time invested.

    #228958
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    I have another question — do you think the One Year Waiting Period might actually encourage non-member parents with member children to vote for a National Gay Marriage law?

    The reasons I ask is this — should gay marriage become national, this could eventually put Church leaders in a position where they can only marry people together civilly and legally if they do it for both gays and heterosexuals. In this case, the Church might respond by saying our leaders are no longer authorized to perform civil marriages of any kind. Or, the Church might refuse, in which case the government might revoke ministers of the LDS religion to perform civil marriages at all.

    This would mean LDS couples would HAVE to get married civilly first, and then have a sealing afterwards, thus striking a balance between meeting the needs of non-member relatives, and the need for temple sealing, on the same day. Or do you think the average LDS person feeling consternation about the One Year Waiting Period would still vote out of obedience to Church leaders? If you don’t agree with the One Year Waiting Period, would you see voting for the National Gay Marriage law as a way of furthering the interests of non-member families to see their children married, without exclusion?

    #228959
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    SD, it would take a major legal stretch to require churches to marry those they don’t want to marry. Honestly, I don’t see it happening – even though it’s the favorite bogeyman of many.

    #228960
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    What Ray said is right, imo.

    However, the civil union route for all couples, gay or straight, is the ultimate path of least resistance in the future so I agree that the church will eventually have to change the policy to match the policies it currently has in other countries where couples must get married civilly first.

    #228961
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    What swim said is right, imo. 😆

    #228962
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    I must admit, non-LDS friends being shut out of the wedding would be a bitter pill for me. I’m thinking particularly of a couple of good friends of mine, who invited me to their wedding (so I feel I should return the favor), and who I would want there simply because their presence would mean something to me.

    The idea of a wedding where you can’t drink, in this country at least, is also a daunting one. I wouldn’t have a problem with it, but I can think of those who would.

    I agree with Brian, about no 2. The only exception I can think of, is if one or the other of the fiances is terminally ill.

    Old-Timer wrote:

    SD, it would take a major legal stretch to require churches to marry those they don’t want to marry. Honestly, I don’t see it happening – even though it’s the favorite bogeyman of many.

    Even though I have my personal feelings about this matter, I believe that religious organizations, and clergymen should have the right to veto who they will and won’t marry. I think this is fair enough. Forcing them to do something they don’t believe in, is an infringement of their civil liberties.

    Now it could be argued that it is an infringement of gays’ (etc) liberties for them not to be able to get married in such and such a way, but my answer to that, is that they should go to an organization or clergyman which is not hostile to the idea, or being forced to do it.

    Who’d want to be married by someone clearly biting their lip?

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