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    I thought I would introduce myself as I’ve been getting to know some of you through your posts and I am delighted to find a like-minded site to help me navigate my current dissonances. I am from a small predominantly mormon town in Southern Alberta and I have lived here nearly all of my 37 years. I have been on quite a journey in the past 2 years that has led me to search out sites like StayLDS and blogs where I could try and make some sense of what I am going through.

    2 years ago I found myself on a trip far away from my hometown and I felt a huge burden lifted. I was away for 2 weeks and during that time I noticed how relieved I was to be away from all the expectations and responsibilites. I came home and immediately felt the weight of those expectations. I began to question certain cultural aspects of the LDS church that may have been the cause of these feelings. Those questions have led to a thorough examination of the LDS church in general and I have found that I am uncomfortable with many things. I feel that I still have a testimony but it has changed. I believe the church is good. I have had some profound spiritual experiences which have led me to believe strongly in a higher power. Having learned new things about Joseph Smith, I can no longer think of him as an infallible prophet and yet much of what he has written seems helpful to the human experience. I have big questions about the BoM and the doctrine of the 3 degrees of glory. At one point I felt like a child who had just been told there wasn’t a Santa Claus. I feel like my foundation has shifted.

    But, I cannot leave the church. The church is too entwined with my life. It would be social suicide to even become inactive. So somehow I have to figure out a way to stay and not be angry in church every week. I need help figuring out how to teach my children. (I have 4, ages 7 to 14) My husband is extremely supportive. He is a longtime resident of the same town and has grown up in the church as well. We have great discussions about things and I know he has my back 100%. We both want to figure out how to live in a more healthy relationship with the church.

    I’m grateful to have found a place where I feel like I just might fit. Thank you to those of you who spend so much time helping those of us who feel we have lost our anchors.

    Sincerely,

    Canadiangirl

    #229636
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    Well, the best of luck in your journey. This sight has certainly been a god-send for me.

    #229637
    Anonymous
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    Welcome! I can certainly relate to what you have been feeling!

    #229638
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    Hi CanadianGirl,

    Thanks for taking the time to introduce yourself and welcome to the community. It’s nice to get to know people here a little better, to build connections.

    Dr. Fowler lists travel experience (like yours) as one of the noticeable triggers that causes people to shift in their faith framework, especially coming from a close-knit town where there is a dominant culture-religion. I would really recommend his work to you and your husband. He is a psychological researcher that studied the mechanics of how people have faith, how they build their spiritual world view through their faith.

    I totally relate to that feeling of being an adult that finally figured out that “Santa Claus isn’t real.” That’s a great description of the feeling of shock and disappointment. It sounds like you have a great relationship with your husband. That is a fantastic resource, having a spouse on the journey at the same time, in a positive environment. A LOT of people run into serious relationship problems with their spouse when the spouse is in a really different place with the Church.

    Hang in there! Glad to have you with us here at StayLDS.com

    #229639
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    Welcome.

    The shock of shattering cultural perspectives can be difficult – and it’s one of the main reasons I want my sons and daughters to serve a mission, ironically. They have been raised “in the mission field” – but there is an extra perspective that comes from learning to love those who are very different and realizing that they are every bit as “good” and “righteous” in many cases as “good, righteous” Mormons. That exposure can lead someone to what I call “pure Mormonism” and away from “dominant culture Mormonism” – and I want my children to see, understand and practice “pure Mormonism”.

    I hope you can come to recognize that difference, as well, and “embrace truth wherever it may be” – which, to me, is the heart of “pure Mormonism” and “continuing revelation”.

    #229640
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    Welcome! I look forward to hearing more from you!

    #229641
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    How are you with prayer? A loving God won’t leave you all to yourself if you aren’t demanding to be left to yourself. This struggle WILL pass with God’s help and you praying for it, and you WILL come out of it with a clearer and purer understanding of necessary things. Be very patient, this is all in the Lord’s hand and in His timing.

    #229642
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    Thanks for the big welcome.

    Brian, I listened to Fowlers’ Stages of Faith podcast with John Dehlin just last week and found it to be so comforting. I thought, “you mean this is a normal development in faith. Thank heavens. I thought I might be going crazy.” I do want to study that work more closely. Thanks for that suggestion.

    Ray, I like the idea of pure mormonism. I’m pretty sure this small town of mine hasn’t seen that kind of mormonism in a very long time. That was what I was originally looking for. I’ve been trying to decipher what is culture from what is doctrine for awhile now. It’s tough to practice pure mormonism in a town that has had generations of pollution. But because mormonism has such great principles, its worth trying. I hope to pass on pure mormonism to my kids as well.

    I’m wondering how either of you approach church history with your kids. I would like to have my kids serve missions if that is what they choose but I also want them to have a good understanding of the facts. When do you start to teach your children “the facts”, especially when they won’t be getting those facts in Primary or the Youth programs. A concern of mine is that might kids might say “but my mom told me…….” in class and then I’d have to deal with the consequences of that. Maybe that is the wrong attitude.

    Borninit, Prayer is difficult right now. Not that I don’t want to pray, I just feel a shift in how I see who I am praying to. Add that to a brain that can’t stop questioning and thinking and my prayers look like an amusement park. My thoughts are all over the place. I’ve considered using prayer beads to help focus, or take up meditation. It is all so overwhelming at times.

    I know that prayer is important to this process, so I’m determined to figure it out.

    Thanks again to everyone who responded. I feel very welcome.

    Canadiangirl

    #229643
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    I’m wondering how either of you approach church history with your kids.

    I do it openly and honestly, but from a foundation of a faithful believer. Iow, I have chosen to believe the basic restoration narrative, and I tend to focus on what I have structured as “my own, personal faith”. I’ve had a few experiences that have convinced me that God lives (or that there is a God, if you will), and I absolutely love the overall cosmology of the LDS Church – so I take the Allegory of the Olive Tree in Jacob 5 and teach my kids that “apostasy” exists inside and outside of everything, including the Church. I try to teach them the GOSPEL, as best I understand it, and I try to show them how to strive to develop the characteristics of godliness laid out in the Sermon on the Mount, Paul’s discourse of charity, the gifts of the spirit passages, etc.

    I also write my own personal blog in order to record my thoughts and feelings and beliefs for others – but especially for my children and posterity. I want them to know what I believe, and I am very open on my blog about what I believe. It has “faithful” posts, and it has “questioning” posts, and it has “wishful” posts, and it has “frustrated” posts – but the overall tone is intentionally uplifting and positive.

    Finally, I try hard to model repentance for my children – and to show them that I can disagree with church leaders on some things and still support and sustain them as Prophets, apostles, Stake Presidents, Bishops, Relief Society Presidents, fellow members, friends, etc. We talk all the time about things people say with which I disagree, but I ALWAYS end it on a positive note – like “but s/he is a good person trying his/her hardest to do what is right, so I support her/him in her/his calling”.

    #229644
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    Welcome, canadiangirl!! There’s a strong pull in the church culture around expectations and the external “image”. It’s one of the trickiest things to navigate as we embark on our own individual personal journey. Keep in mind that it is just that, a personal journey.

    #229645
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    Thank you for sharing.

    #229646
    Anonymous
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    I really appreciate your intro and your approach.

    I have had similar feelings, and I guess I think a lot of people feel that way…that there is still so many good things about church and stuff that it would be nice to not have to throw it all away, and yet, a reasonable thinking adult can see there are some holes in the “story” the church likes to paint about some historical things or some claims or things they choose to stay quiet on.

    I have chosen to believe there is a middle way…a way to stay active and believing, but make the faith work for me and my family…regardless of what others think or believe.

    I think it is a little more difficult…but I still believe it can be done. I believe in the BoM, and many teachings of Joseph Smith…but many things are problematic for me also…so I leave it at that.

    I have also found it refreshing to let go of caring what others think of me, and let them think what they want as well. There doesn’t need to be a right and a wrong…just a choice for you and for me and bottom line, what is important is how we live our lives and find peace and happiness.

    Thanks for coming to the group and sharing ideas.

    #229647
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    First…welcome!

    I like your title, “Testimony is Changing.” That’s a very concise way to say what’s going on with most of us here. Growing up, when we were asked to “bare our testimony,” it was expected for us to say “I know the church is true, Joseph was a prophet, etc.” I think we can view this cultural process much like working for a company who has everybody repeat the mission statement of the organization at the beginning of each day. Or even when we say the pledge of allegiance in unison at times.

    The similarity of these “rituals” is no accident, IMO. “We” are a unique culture. We support and give service to each other. We teach other’s children in church meetings, we home and visit teach, we take meals to the sick. We have a common goal and purpose.

    As with the other rituals, at times we may not agree with all the words said. When that happens, we can either:

    1) disassociate from the “culture;”

    2) try to change the culture from within; or

    3) stay quiet and don’t let the teachings we disagree with bother us.

    I would guess many here have tried a few, or all of the above…and settled into doing a bit of 2 and 3.

    Here’s one way I view “church.” We humans are social creatures. There is a certain amount of human interaction we desire. It stimulates us. And of course we all need help once in a while. I think we are wired to help and be helped.

    Church affords us this opportunity. To an extent, there is a spiritual uplifting we get when we serve each other. Perhaps this is what we really have a “testimony” of. We just say different words. That bothers some…not others. We each need to find our peace with what is important to us individually.

    :)

    #229648
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    Thanks for joining!

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