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May 5, 2010 at 5:03 pm #205001
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GuestHey guys, I am working on some forum maintenance and organization. PLEASE feel free to let me know what you think, make suggestions, call me an idiot and read me the riot act, or anything else that comes to mind. I want to adjust the roles of people volunteering here at the site. It has been a while since we talked about dividing up the work, who does what, primary moderator roles, and stuff like that.
Here is what I did so far:
First and foremost, nothing that I suggest should be taken (if possible) as negative criticism. I truly appreciate anything and everything people do here. It is a great service we provide. I am keen though on keeping things clean in a volunteer organization. By that, I mean keeping people who are really active doing jobs with the right system access. If someone isn’t. That is totally fine too. But I would rather not have a long list of inactive administrators. Not only is it a little messy organizationally, but it poses potential security risks on an IT level.
#1 I Put everyone on the team on the same level. Some were “global moderators” and some were “administrators.” Everyone that is active here is now an administrator. We can talk about putting some people back into global.
#2 I deactivated JMB275 and removed from Admin group. Duplicate for Euhemerus. If you need both accounts active, let me know.
#3 Removing Adamf, JRNilsson from the Admin roster and making “Registered Members.” I will send them emails to let them know. I love these guys, but they really haven’t been that active in posts or participation. It’s cool. No big deal. Would welcome them with open arms again if they have more time for admin/moderator roles at this site.
Here is the updated list of site volunteers (aka Moderators and Admins):
Brian Johnston
Euhemerus
Hawkgrrrl
Heber13
John Dehlin
Jordan
Mormonheretic
Orson
Old-Timer
May 5, 2010 at 5:15 pm #230639Anonymous
GuestStep 2: Adjusting the Primary Moderator list A primary moderator is the person with top authority and responsibility over a forum section. We can all moderate as needed when we see it, but the Primary Moderator should be the one making final calls in their forum section. The Primary Moderator also makes sure they read ALL posts in their section (as soon as they can, this is a volunteer job). If they don’t read all the posts in other sections, that is fine.
I locked the sticky post. I want to keep that clean as a reference list. I will update it when we make the changes.
Here is the current list (which is obviously out of date):
Rules and Policies = Valoel
Introductions = Valoel
Support = Hawkgrrrl
General Discussion = Euhemerus (formerly jmb275)
Spiritual Stuff = Hawkgrrrl
History and Doctrine = Ray & MormonHeretic
Book Reviews = Euhemerus (formerly jmb275)
I would like to continue as Prime for “Rules and Policies.” I can do one more forum section in addition to my system/admin roles I think. Everyone else, let’s talk about who will be Prime where. I will pick my second one last after everyone else decides. If everyone only wants one, that’s fine. We can look for more moderators.
May 5, 2010 at 8:24 pm #230640Anonymous
GuestI’m totally fine with the changes. I want to stay with History and Doctrine, and I wouldn’t mind being added to Spiritual Stuff.
May 5, 2010 at 11:10 pm #230641Anonymous
GuestI wouldn’t mind helping Hawkgrrrl who has 2 forums. I already spend a lot of time in the support section, so I could take that one. But I will yield preference to the seniority of other moderators already doing this for a while and give Hawk and you others first pick if you want any forums…I can do whatever is needed. No strong opinion either way.
May 6, 2010 at 5:42 am #230642Anonymous
GuestI would welcome additional help on any of my stuff. I can get stretched at times. May 6, 2010 at 12:05 pm #230643Anonymous
GuestI only listed the old roster as a reference. If people want to keep doing what they were doing, that is totally fine, but don’t feel obligated in that regard. This is a perfect time to make changes if anyone wants. And seriously, we can recruit more moderators if anyone feels overwhelmed. May 6, 2010 at 1:33 pm #230644Anonymous
GuestI’m fine with the changes, and fine with my Prime assignments. However, I was wondering if you wouldn’t mind moving jmb275 to just a regular user (rather than just deactivating). I still post using that account from time to time and that user is my primary user at MM so I’d like to keep the account active if possible.
Brian wrote:We can all moderate as needed when we see it, but the Primary Moderator should be the one making final calls in their forum section.
I’m a little curious if you could expand on this. I kind of like how it is now, is this a proposed change or just a statement of the way it has been? Ray moderates a lot, but they’re primarily spelling/grammar changes etc. (thanks Ray ). But (I think) whenever Ray is questioning a comment, or has an issue with some topic, etc. he usually puts it in moderation and we talk about it. I sort of like this paradigm as it removes the offending post, but doesn’t give sole authority to a single individual. Are you proposing a change to this sort of paradigm? Just wondering.
May 6, 2010 at 2:09 pm #230645Anonymous
Guestjmb275 is a “Registered User” Brian Johnston wrote:We can all moderate as needed when we see it, but the Primary Moderator should be the one making final calls in their forum section.
In my mind, this has always been the policy. On a practical level, we have all been moderating everywhere as needed. Ray has been very active, which is fine. I would like people to have a sense of ownership (if that’s the right word) or pride in their forum sections.
The main thing to me is that we don’t need to be worried that nobody is reading or moderating in other sections when we personally don’t have time to read every single post. Most of the time, I simply can’t read them all. I can’t respond to them all and shape the conversations. We as moderators have a huge role at this site to shape and direct the tone. It is very easy for things to slip into negative, unproductive territory. We have to be vigilant in keep the mission of the site active — yes there are problems, but we are talking about SOLUTIONS! Not just another site to cry about how much everything sucks.
So that is what I care about the most. I totally trust all the other moderators. I think it is great to get feedback from everyone when I see a problem. It is great to “park” a topic and talk about new users who need coaching.
May 10, 2010 at 12:08 am #230646Anonymous
GuestSo, I noticed I got upgraded to Admin status from Moderator this week. Sorry I haven’t been as available–I got in a heated debate at Christian Forms, but I’m back now. Brian has a good point that things can turn negative quickly, and I found that to be a real turn-off at Christian Forums. (I did a post on it, if anyone is interested at (I could even post it here again if anyone thinks it is worthwhile.)http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/07/can-non-lds-obtain-salvation-of-course/ While I was at Christian Forums, I did like the software (though the ads were very annoying.) Would it be easy/hard to upgrade to their software for this board?
Do all admins get notifications when a new member joins? I got 2 notices, but I wasn’t sure what to do with them. I’m hoping someone else approved/denied Jarla and Embemimen…
I love the History and Doctrine forum, and really appreciate Ray’s help. It’s all I can do to stay up on that forum; I rarely venture to the other forums here.
May 10, 2010 at 3:27 pm #230647Anonymous
Guestmormonheretic wrote:Brian has a good point that things can turn negative quickly, and I found that to be a real turn-off at Christian Forums. (I did a post on it, if anyone is interested at
(I could even post it here again if anyone thinks it is worthwhile.)http://www.mormonheretic.org/2010/05/07/can-non-lds-obtain-salvation-of-course/
Fascinating discussion, MH. I agree that things seem to turn negative quickly and that has been a turn-off for me as well on some other sites.While the post is an excellent one and your responses are great, it has specifics to other sites and users on those sites that I don’t think that word for word post should be put on StayLDS, as we don’t want to start any competition with others, I wouldn’t think. But the idea of the message and how to defend our faith and others’ negativism is a great example, that some of those points would well serve this forum, in my opinion.
I always appreciate your perspectives.
May 11, 2010 at 1:26 pm #230648Anonymous
GuestMH wrote:Do all admins get notifications when a new member joins? I got 2 notices, but I wasn’t sure what to do with them. I’m hoping someone else approved/denied Jarla and Embemimen…
Yes, the admins get these notices. You don’t need to do anything. The way we have them set up, a user gets an account and makes a post. That first post is held in moderation until one of us approves it. Once approved, the new user is free to make comments without having them held in moderation. This is done simply as a filter to prevent unwanted spam.This may be an area worth investigating, but as it is now it’s a pretty good system.
May 11, 2010 at 1:56 pm #230649Anonymous
GuestRight now, the registration emails are going out to all “admins.” This creates extra communication from the site to us, but it also allows any of us to react when we have time to approve people quickly. If you click the link in the email and it says something like “User account already active,” that means someone else already got to it. That’s fine. Any of us can approve someone’s registration. Make *SURE* you read their justification answer first though. It doesn’t have to be epic prose, but they at least have to sound like someone who is LDS or sincerely interested in our site’s theme.
The spammers are pretty obvious. Justification text is required, so they have to enter something. They (or their bot program) usually answer with nonsense or unrelated short words like “Stock” or “Chat.” Their email address is often bogus too. Just delete those accounts without a second thought. Legitimate people can contact us if they have trouble registering.
You can see users waiting to be approved for registration by going into the ACP (Admin Control Panel). Recent user actions are listed at the bottom.
May 11, 2010 at 2:12 pm #230650Anonymous
GuestBrian, as per your counsel above does that mean that not all new accounts will have their first post held in moderation? Does activating a new user bypass that requirement? My impression was that it did. If so, it seems we should have a consistent requirement, either a new user’s account is held in moderation until an admin activates it, or their first post is held in moderation until approved. May 11, 2010 at 2:32 pm #230651Anonymous
GuestActivating a new user does not bypass the requirement for their first post to be approved by a moderator. We have two layers of security: Layer 1 = Registration process with justification text required[This layer traps live spammers and registration bots]
AND THEN
Layer 2 = Post must be approved by a moderator before any posts become visible to the public[This layer traps most trolls, and to some extent spammers before we implemented the justification. It also allows us to coach a new user if they com to the community too angry still]
People have free reign after that.
May 11, 2010 at 9:10 pm #230652Anonymous
GuestI read through all the comments about where people would like to be. I am tweaking a few of those requests slightly to try and get coverage by two people on each forum section. My two are not active (Rules has no posts at all really). Primary Moderators:
Rules and Policies = Brian
Introductions = Brian
Support = Hawkgrrrl & Heber13
General Discussion = Euhemerus & Heber 13
Spiritual Stuff = Hawkgrrrl & Ray
History and Doctrine = Ray & MormonHeretic
Book Reviews = Euhemerus
How does that look?
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