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June 23, 2010 at 6:17 pm #205145
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GuestI just did a post yesterday on Mormon Matters discussing whether Mormonism is a “nature” religion (one that believes we need to revere nature and become in harmony with it, including human nature) or a “social” religion (one that believes nature is inherently harmful and needs to be subjugated so that it won’t harm us, including our own human nature). Here’s the post:
http://mormonmatters.org/2010/06/22/mormonism-nature-religion-or-social-religion/#comment-138976 Ultimately, my conclusion is that you find both outlooks within the church, and neither one is really incompatible with the doctrine – you could find justification for either viewpoint. Maybe some people need to look at it one way or the other for their own growth & development. But I also wonder if those who find the church difficult to navigate when viewed from a “social” religious perspective might do better if they adopted a “nature” religious perspective (and vice-versa).
June 23, 2010 at 7:05 pm #232656Anonymous
GuestHighly recommended BTW. It’s always good to have stuff which looks at Mormonism from new angles like this. It makes up for the over homogenization that I think some of the teaching manuals etc can have. I think the Book of Enos, although it doesn’t talk much about it directly about nature has some of this flavor about it. He hunts and wanders the wilderness, but it seems to be as an adjunct to his spirituality.
Quote:And I will tell you of the wrestle which I had before God, before I received a remission of my sins. Behold, I went to hunt beasts in the forests; and the words which I had often heard my father speak concerning eternal life, and the joy of the saints, sunk deep into my heart. And my soul hungered; and I kneeled down before my Maker, and I cried unto him in mighty prayer and supplication for mine own soul; and all the day long did I cry unto him; yea, and when the night came I did still raise my voice high that it reached the heavens. And there came a voice unto me, saying: Enos, thy sins are forgiven thee, and thou shalt be blessed.
Enos’ experience of nature and hunting is contrasted with the Lamanites, which is somehow more brutal –
Quote:And I bear record that the people of Nephi did seek diligently to restore the Lamanites unto the true faith in God. But our labors were vain; their hatred was fixed, and they were led by their evil nature that they became wild, and ferocious, and a bloodthirsty people, full of idolatry and filthiness; feeding upon beasts of prey; dwelling in tents, and wandering about in the wilderness with a short skin girdle about their loins and their heads shaven; and their skill was in the bow, and in the cimeter, and the ax. And many of them did eat nothing save it was raw meat; and they were continually seeking to destroy us.
Note how he mentions that they not only eat raw meat (as some native tribes did), but also that they feed “upon beasts of prey”. Now as I understand it, carnivores and carrion eaters violate Jewish dietary law as well – although I wonder how many people have picked this up.
You make some good points about the sacred grove and the BoA. I think even in the degrees of glory and temple architecture we reverence the stars in some ways. The whole concept of a Mormon environmentalism is another interesting concept I haven’t heard too much of…
June 24, 2010 at 3:57 pm #232657Anonymous
GuestI think it relates to how directly dependent we are on nature for survival. In the early church days and now in the case of farming and ranching being able to subdue and control nature were essential but it you’re insulated from nature then it’s more likely you’ll assume a nature view of life and religion vs a social one. When nature with it’s randomness can kill you or starve you or make you rich you’ll naturally deal with it as something to master. How all this relates to the church I don’t know other than for the biblical references that indicate both stewardship and mastery. June 25, 2010 at 5:18 am #232658Anonymous
GuestGBSmith wrote:In the early church days and now in the case of farming and ranching being able to subdue and control nature were essential
great point GB
I wonder if this is why rediscovering nature is so spiritual now…it is something we are more removed from in our modern lifestyle.
I think the church is more social now then it was in the 1800’s. We still have teachings of the natural man and this mortal existence that Adam and eve were given dominion over, but the modern correlated church is mostly social in preaching to proclaim the gospel to others, perfect the saints by seeking to provide callings and teaching the good word and friendshipping, also socially strengthening lure ties with ancestors by redeeming the dead, and also providing humanitarian aid to those in need. The mission is a very social one, IMO
July 15, 2010 at 11:21 pm #232659Anonymous
GuestA particularly beautiful bit of the Book of the Law of the Lord, one of the Strangite texts. http://www.strangite.org/Law.htm#GROVES,-FORESTS,-AND-WATERS
Quote:CHAPTER 38
GROVES, FORESTS, AND WATERS
1. Ye shall not cut down the timber on the hills and mountains, lest your children suffer for want of wood and water. Ye shall not destroy the groves along the shores of the lakes and ponds, lest the winds and storms make your land desolate, and both heat and cold destroy you. Therefore shall ye cause them to grow continually, and they shall beautify your inheritance, and your children shall rise up and call you blessed. (76, 338)
2. Every man who receiveth an inheritance shall preserve a forest thereon, that his children may walk in the shade thereof, and may build houses and prepare food; and that his cattle faint not with heat or drouth, nor perish in the blast; and the land yield her increase. If there be no forest, he shall plant one. (57, 247)
3. Ye shall preserve the trees by the wayside. And if there be none, ye shall plant them. Whether it be in the cities, towns, and villages, or the fields and forests, ye shall do it. (35, 137)
4. All these things shall ye do as your King shall appoint, and your Rulers determine, that the land be pleasant to your children. (23, 102)
5. And in your cities, and towns, and villages, and by the side of great waters, and ponds, and running streams, and springs, shall groves be appointed to you, that the aged and the young may go there to rest and to play. There shall ye all make yourselves joyful. (49, 203)
July 16, 2010 at 12:25 am #232660Anonymous
GuestI believe that it’s both. That we are taught to be good stewards of nature and our fellow man both equally. That we shouldn’t squander the gifts that have been created. That as good stewards we reap the bennifits of the earth and familial tranquility with our fellow souls. If we do not then narture and humans will correct themselves through chaos. I see examples of this through the flood of the days of Noah. Wars,plague, etc. There is enough resource, land water, and all the things we need on this earth if Humans would learn to be stewards of both. Unfortunately it make take disaster, war, plague, etc. if we do not learn to be stewards of our world and fellow brothers and sisters. July 16, 2010 at 11:36 am #232661Anonymous
GuestThere seem to be two dimensions to what you’re talking about Hawkgrrrl…our relationship with nature (God’s creations other than man), and our relationship with human nature — our own and others. I don’t have a lot to say about our relationship with God’s non-human creations.
However, regarding our own human nature there’s a lot of evidence that God believes that man’s basic nature is evil “The natural man is an enemy of God”. The D&C rips on human nature a few times. However, I realize from some of the Church psychology books I’ve been reading that overcoming our devlish and undesireable natures involves first accepting and revering who we are for those good aspects of our spirits. You become more devilish and carnal when you start with the perspective of self-loathing or low self-esteem. For me, celebration and acceptance of who we are (warts and all) is a precursor to overcoming those undesireable aspects of our character.
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