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June 29, 2010 at 8:52 pm #205161
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GuestI believe that it’s recently been announced that paid caretakers (for chapels anyway) are no longer going to be employed by the church. Our local janitor has been doing the job for twenty five years, and has just retired… but he’s not going to be replaced by anyone. Instead, volunteers have to do all the cleaning. Now I think it’s reasonable to say people should clean up after themselves, but we do have a reasonably large chapel, and it gets used for something or other seven days a week. Kids being kids often leave a mess too.
I was watching one of the poor brothers doing his new chapel cleaning assignment last week. I spoke to him, and he said, “It’s too much”. I agreed with him. It was really a job for two volunteers, not one. Plus it’s all reliant on goodwill, whereas our retired janitor was getting paid for it.
To cut a long story short, I think paid janitors were a good idea. It doesn’t conflict with paid clergy, they do an important job, and it also creates employment. Removing them is a mistake, IMHO.
June 30, 2010 at 3:12 am #232848Anonymous
GuestYep, another beef I have — I’ve thought it many times. I detest cleaning as it is….I remember years ago when I was semi-active, someone just put our names on the list of cleaners one weekend without even asking me. I didn’t show up with my family to do it, and then the next Fifth Sunday combined RS and Priesthood meeting was devoted to ripping on the people who didn’t show up to do their cleaning assignment. They didn’t even ask us if we wanted to do it, or if we were available. Just put us down as assigned to do it.
I resented it when it usually falls on the Same Ten People to do it. Next time I’ll send someone in our absence who needs the money, pay them, and deal with it. Or, I’ll call some of the people who never contribute and ask if they can take my place due to conflicting commitments. If they don’t show up, well, I tried.
However, I’ve since cleaned it regularly for the last few years. I have to discipline myself to do it, as I think about the huge financial donations I make, and wonder why I’m also expected to perform janitorial services.
There are spiritual reasons given for it, but frankly, I believe it’s simply meant to reduce expenses for the Church.
June 30, 2010 at 9:26 am #232849Anonymous
GuestStupid as it may seem, I’ve actually been praying not to be called to this. I can barely deal with my own home! I’d prefer a family history calling just now, as I know quite a bit about it, and I’m getting into it just now. I also worked with something similar
beforejoining the church. That and home teaching, I’m ready to go back to that just now. June 30, 2010 at 1:14 pm #232850Anonymous
GuestWe are the second wealthiest faith community in America. We can’t pay for janitors? The tiny single non-denominational church here in town has a janitor. The membership cleaning gig has spread to temples and DI centers (probably institute buildings as well). Anyone mentioned ground caretakers? Has your chapel been painted recently? Are the free services of computer guru’s being used at Family History centers? Enough said. June 30, 2010 at 1:17 pm #232851Anonymous
GuestGeorge wrote:We are the second wealthiest faith community in America. We can’t pay for janitors?
Here are the reasons I’ve heard of:
1. When members clean the chapel, they take better care of it.
2. It’s good for the members to sacrifice.
June 30, 2010 at 2:45 pm #232852Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:George wrote:We are the second wealthiest faith community in America. We can’t pay for janitors?
Here are the reasons I’ve heard of:
1. When members clean the chapel, they take better care of it.
2. It’s good for the members to sacrifice.
Well, we have such a big (and mobile) ward here, that many people wouldn’t notice the difference. And it has grown dirtier.
Sacrificing is one thing, but we aren’t all Abraham.
When you have too much free labor, it becomes a form of slavery…
Quote:The tiny single non-denominational church here in town has a janitor. The membership cleaning gig has spread to temples and DI centers (probably institute buildings as well). Anyone mentioned ground caretakers? Has your chapel been painted recently? Are the free services of computer guru’s being used at Family History centers? Enough said.
I’d hope that the church isn’t penny pinching enough not to pay for gardeners in its temples – they have huge grounds.
June 30, 2010 at 3:20 pm #232853Anonymous
GuestSilentDawning wrote:
Here are the reasons I’ve heard of:1. When members clean the chapel, they take better care of it.
2. It’s good for the members to sacrifice.
I think the facts are more like this
1. Church revenues are down so the corporation is cutting headcount.
2. Why pay for something when you can get it for free.
Not sure it is a reliable fact that members would take better care of the chapel than a paid janitor. This is an anecdotal statement. Sacrifice is good so maybe there is some validity to this but not sure there is a shortage of sacrifice in the lives of church members.
Personally the only real issue for me is not that I am asked to clean but the fact that someone is losing a job. I liked the fact that my donations were helping someone locally to provide for their family. That is another job gone away.
I wonder if the employees at the church office building are being told to clean the bathrooms?
June 30, 2010 at 4:17 pm #232854Anonymous
GuestContrary to what some might think based on my comments in other finance related threads, I also don’t like doing away with meetinghouse janitors – especially in areas where it would be reasonable for one person to take care of multiple buildings. That’s not possible in my current area – where buildings generally are more than an hour away from each other. My compromise would be to have people who are receiving fast offering assistance fill that role – but I still would prefer a regular custodian in the ideal world.
June 30, 2010 at 4:35 pm #232855Anonymous
GuestAgree with you both. Not only does paid employment create work for members (I think it should be members doing it, for various reasons), but it also means a better job is getting done IMHO. Two birds with one stone. If someone receiving financial assistance from the church gets it in the form of a job, they’re getting something for their CV as well.
September 8, 2010 at 11:30 pm #232856Anonymous
GuestIn my last ward (several years ago), we had old guy who loved being a janitor (2nd greatest love, temple service). True be told, for social reasons, he was unemployable for any other job. Because ward members practiced love toward him, the light of Christ showed through and he labored hard. In his way of thinking, extra unpaid hours or duties, just frosting on the cake, a gift to the Lord. When he was told his job had gone away, I was worried over his mental state. Months later, I saw his old van, unwashed, front window half filled with debris, parked in a storage area. He appeared to be living in it. I wish I could give this story a happy ending, but it is what it is. September 9, 2010 at 12:09 am #232857Anonymous
GuestMy brother tried to be a janitor for the church a couple of years back. Couldn’t take the $8/hr salary and the constant harping making them feel guilty about using the sacred tithing funds. That being said, in my area, paid staff take are of big items, but church members have long done light cleaning assignments. It works out to be twice a year for each family. It has been a good opportunity to socialize with people who we otherwise might not get a chance to spend time with. Also, it teaches awesome lessons to my kids about responsibility and respect. It has never taken more than hour for us. I have always felt really good about it.
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