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    Hello –

    I am the Camp Director of my ward, this is my 2nd year. I did not know it was a multiple year calling so I was a little upset about that! Last year when they asked me to be camp director I was very unsure…I have been having a lot of doubts about the Church for a long time now, but I agreed because I really love being around the Youth. My husband and I were Ma and Pa for Pioneer Trek the year before. I made sure to steer clear of any religious topics and let the other leaders handle that. And though it was stressful, I thought I did pretty well.

    This year things are worse, I have been going to church very little and I can’t stand it when I am there. The girls I used to be close with have all graduated and I don’t feel the same kinship with the younger girls. I don’t know what to do, camp is only a month away and I am DREADING it! I don’t think I can do this, I shouldn’t be doing this, I am not the person they should want to be an example to these girls. What can I do? How can I fulfill this calling in my present state of mind?

    #233321
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    gidgy wrote:

    I am DREADING it! I don’t think I can do this, I shouldn’t be doing this, I am not the person they should want to be an example to these girls. What can I do? How can I fulfill this calling in my present state of mind?

    Two thoughts:

    1. Can you tell your bishop this?

    2. Why do you doubt your spiritual status? Are you in an angry period? Maybe you can take along your favorite inspirational material and use it personally and refer to it. I bet the girls need the authentic you.

    #233322
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    I don’t have any advice, but I wanted you to know that I get what you are saying. I am experiencing similar feelings in regards to callings at this time. Just when I think I might be ready to try a calling again I start to feel resentful and irritated. I really don’t have an explanation for it, it just happens and I see that as a sign that I’m not ready. I need more time to heal or get to Fowlers Stage 5. I’m interested in what others have to say about this. Talking to my bishop doesn’t feel right for me. You bishop might be better suited to help you though. I also think that Tom’s questions are good ones to ask yourself. I was surprised at my own answers to those questions after I read them.

    #233323
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    I am so sorry for your predicament. I really doubt any one will want to step in as camp leader with such little notice … of course if you have medical emergency someone will have to step in and no explanation will be needed ;)

    I hate to be the pessamist but I know of many times where what was said to the Bishop was ultimately passed along to many leaders because they were trying to figure out new callings, home teaching assignments and so on. My advice is if you talk to the Bishop only say what you are comfortable having passed along to the Bishops counselors, EQ, RS and YW leaders. What you say you cant take back so if you live in a small town or neighborhood use all the more caution. I dont know your ward or Bishop but the risks are it could go great or your privacy is now forever gone. I know Bishops have great intentions but the reality is that there are normally more callings then people to fill them. TBM’s havent been conditioned to negociate boundaries with their ward, leaders and callings. For me boundaries are my best friend. Establishing and defining the boundaries that I needed to make me happy and healthy was very uncomfortable to do at first but now I will never go back. I wish you all the best.

    #233324
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    I have a strong belief you should not accept any callings you are not comfortable with. I spent years feeling dread and anxiety working in callings I hated.Then one day I just said no I will not do this anymore. My wife is the same way. Currently she will not accept any callings do to some medical issues, even though they still keep trying to get her to do something.

    As it is you may have to deal with it this year because others are depending on you, but just opt out next year with plenty of notice.

    #233325
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    Cadence wrote:

    As it is you may have to deal with it this year because others are depending on you, but just opt out next year with plenty of notice.

    I agree with what Cadence said above. When people are depending on you, it’s important to follow through, especially this close to he event.

    I have a few suggestions to help you get throught it:

    1. Approach your lack of bonding with the new girls with an attitude of charity — to get to know them and care for them for who they are. Forget doctrine or Church policy and your doubts etcetera — relate to the girls on a human to human level for who they are, to strengthen them through your investment in them. You may find you care much more deeply about them after girl’s camp is over. Don’t let your current lack of closelness with them interfere with the expression of your charitable character.

    2. Shelve the doubts for now and delegate to others those things you don’t want to talk about that are spiritual in nature — as you did in the past. If you HAVE to be spiritual, then focus on general spirituality like having a positive attitude, getting close to God, loving others, etcetera — those aspects of our religion that are common to all religions. Use any scriptures in this way — not as statements of Church doctrine or evidence the Church is true, but because they are simply universal, true principles that will bless anyone’s lives, LDS or not. There are a lot of universal principles in our scriptures you can draw upon.

    3. Keep your doubts to yourself. You don’t want to cut off future opportunities to serve by expressing your doubts to your Bishop or other leaders. Express them here and get feedback, and keep trying to work through them.

    Hope that helps….

    #233326
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    Welcome, gidgy.

    This doesn’t happen often :P , but:

    What Cadence said, word-for-word.

    (You’ll understand the previous emoticon if you’ve read many of our threads here – or after you read some.) :)

    #233327
    Anonymous
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    If I were in your situation, I would probably grit my teeth and bear it and not stress over camp more than I have to, but focus on what needs to get done and not place the burden of making camp “perfect” on myself.

    While I agree with Cadence in principle, in your situation it sounds like you’ve known about this for a long time (at least since last year), it seems you shouldn’t back out with only 1 month for them to replace you. If possible, get this year over with, and then have the talk with your bishop that you’ve done your time and can’t do it next year.

    There could be some strategies to help get through this year…like focusing on the needs of the young girls instead of doctrine…focusing on the practical things of food and activities without making it about faith.

    I also think there is still time with a month away for you to try to enlist some help from parents or other adult leaders including the bishopric to help you, especially if you tell them you are overwhelmed and need help.

    In the end, do the best you can and then let it go. There could be some good experiences that come from it.

    I am very, very protective of my time and my family’s priorities and am willing to say no to any church service that is out of harmony with my family’s needs…but I also try to follow through on commitments and know that serving does have benefits that help me as a person. I’m sure you do tons of service too, but you may be stuck with camp this year, and just need to find ways to help yourself get through it. If you really feel you can’t…then discussing it with your bishop sooner rather than later is a good idea…he may have ideas on how to lessen the load. Those are my thoughts.

    #233328
    Anonymous
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    Gidgy, I know this sounds paradoxical, but you may be exactly what these girls are needing. Don’t put these doubts on full display, but do appreciate that they may help you empathize with certain problems that they may be having.

    I think your doubts are a kind of intellectual honesty.

    Not being a girl myself I can’t possibly comment personally, but I have heard the camps are fun… If you have had positive experiences with it before, you can have them again. But bear in mind the words of an old Greek philosopher, “you can never step in the same river twice”… i.e. time moves on, and things change, even if there are common threads. Some times you will enjoy more than others, but I’d say go for it…

    #233329
    Anonymous
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    Sam makes a great point, my girls need someone like you in their camp! They mostly have leaders reminding them to not hold hands with boys … 🙄

    #233330
    Anonymous
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    All great advice so far. I can’t add more.

    I would like to share a personal experience with this exact subject though. Last summer, I volunteered to be one of the “priesthood support” for three days at girls camp. My oldest daughter was attending, and I felt obligated to help out and support camp as a parent. I was also out of work at the time, so I had no excuse about being too busy ;)

    I didn’t have to run the whole camp or anything. But I did have to bunk up with a member of the Bishopric who is about as opposite in his views as possible from me (he’s a really good guy though). I thought I would just have to help haul trash and do heavy lifting for setup and tear down, but quickly discovered that the camp leaders encourage the girls to ask for a priesthood blessing for everything from a tummy ache to being scared by a spider (I am not joking). So there I was …

    It was probably one of the best and most memorable Church experiences in my recent doubting life. I made myself open up to giving priesthood blessings again, and I saw new insights into how this is a beautiful service of comfort to people, even if I don’t know that I have some type of magical powers or authority. I also had some great and challenging conversations with my devout and very literal cabin-mate as we worked and served together.

    So that is what I wanted to share. I had a good experience. But it was specifically because I was put into that challenging situation, and had to figure out how to be with these people and love them, in spite of seeing things differently.

    #233331
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    My daughter just got back from camp. She has been RAVING all weekend about what a great experience it was. At church today, the YW camp director was down visiting our branch, and talked for 45 minutes during Sacrament meeting about the camp and specifically about my kid and how she has such a great testimony and how she loves her family and how she talked all week about how cool her dad is etc etc… I was a proud existentialist/agnostic mormon father today!

    Needless to say, I personally thanked her after church for her time and effort. These kind of callings are tough – but, my kid REALLY needs these kind of experiences, especially right now while I’m working myself though this “crisis of faith.”

    #233332
    Anonymous
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    Wow, cwald – that’s great! I think my spiritual journey would have been much different if I had children. I can’t imagine raising children in this present society without such a strong support system. It seems like the LDS Church is the best, most effective option for keeping children and youth strong enough to withstand the corruption and immorality thrust upon them via the mass media and negative peer influences. I think this is what draws people (like myself) to communal movements as well, like the Hutterites, Bruderhof, etc.

    #233333
    Anonymous
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    I agree with Sam. If you can show love, listen and not fight with the other leaders; you have the makings of a good camp leader. If you have some organizational skills too you can be a great leader. I didn’t start working with camp till I was thirty (age when I joined church} and retired at 62 ( became more trouble than I was worth) As far as not holding boys hands just sing ” What you gonna do in a little canoe?” your time and attention is the best thing you can give teenagers and if you do not judge them. all you need is some candy. Don’t confuse problems with adult authority keep you from camping if you like to camp with kids. Best luck whatever you do. If you need help with programs or what ever: let me know I have lots.

    #233334
    Anonymous
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    Opps !!! Didn’t realize you were a Brother Just tell you’ bunkie you don’t want to keep him awake with your snoring and offer to sleep with the supplies were your snoring will keep 2 and 4 legged varmets out of the food. Worked for me for years.

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