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    I just finished listening to all the Mormon Stories episodes of the Carol Lynn Pearson interview on Youtube.

    The last few minutes of the entire interview contain what I think is the wisest advice I have heard for staying LDS.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGi_FU0Kl4M 57:30-59:50

    She says she only has been able to do it because she has been out of all her closets. John Dehlin says, “But that’s so disruptive.” She replies that all great historic moments have been disruptive.

    Somehow she has walked in open love for decades. What a great example.

    #234446
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    because she has been out of all her closets.

    I know my experience isn’t nearly as extensive or public as hers, but that’s a great way to summarize how I feel. I don’t talk about everything with everyone, but I also feel like I’m out of all my closets. I’m comfortable with myself and my views, and the fact that I expect them to change as time goes by, and I just don’t care all that much if others don’t agree with those views, post closets.

    My favorite OT name for GOD is “I AM” – and that’s how I feel about myself. I am . . . me. I am “that” I am. I stay because I am . . . Mormon.

    #234447
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    Yes, Ray, I think so. Of course for those of us where the change is more sudden and recent, there is more going on. I may lack capital and skill and confidence. But the principle and the ideal still hold true.

    #234448
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    Good for Carol. I honestly don’t know if the local membership would allow me to be part of the LDS tribe if I came totally out of the closet. My TBM family already shun me – I can only imagine.

    I think it takes a tremendous amount of skill and tact to do what Carol did. I’m not sure that I’m that guy. I will probably wait until my kids have left home before I do something so “disruptive.”

    “I am.” Great spiritual advice.

    #234449
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    Thanks Tom for sharing. I found a tremendous amount of wisdom and comfort in listening to this.

    #234450
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    CLP (58:19): “So somebody who wants to stay in the church I feel could be more comfortable trying to be open about some of these things rather than sitting there and stewing and causing contention, or just taking everything in and letting it fester. I would not be able to do that.”

    John: “But it’s so disruptive.”

    CLP says “just sitting there stewing” (as opposed to saying something) is “causing contention”. Interesting. John didn’t quite catch the paradox, nor did I at first.

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    Tom Haws wrote:

    CLP (58:19): “So somebody who wants to stay in the church I feel could be more comfortable trying to be open about some of these things rather than sitting there and stewing and causing contention, or just taking everything in and letting it fester. I would not be able to do that.”

    John: “But it’s so disruptive.”

    CLP says “just sitting there stewing” (as opposed to saying something) is “causing contention”. Interesting. John didn’t quite catch the paradox, nor did I at first.

    Hmmmm?

    #234452
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    I think it means that sitting there stewing, it sends out negative vibes that others pick up (subconsciously for the most part). At the very least, you are not cheering along with the crowd, which is a small disruption in the potential volume of the cheering.

    Saying nothing and stewing about it is disrupting, just more subtle than being vocal about it.

    #234453
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    Yeah. I think it puts you (me) in a bad way (spirit) that winds up “causing contention” some place/time in my life (at home, at work, at the store). Having out with it in the right way may not do that, and may influence the culture positively.

    #234454
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    This is the first time I’ve watched any type of video like this. I really like this lady …. I totally relate to her on her opinions with people who are gay and history repeating itself. I love intelligent outspoken women! I will try to be like her ….. If I ever return to church in my life again! :)

    I’m sure it is easier to come out of all of your closets when you are well read, patient … and respected which it seems like she is. Good for her. I’ve asked my DH to watch this video!

    #234455
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    I mentioned Carol Lynn Pearson to my TBM ex (I had just watched the five amazing interviews). She immediately dismissed Ms. Pearson, as “a crazy lady.” I wondered if her attitude reflected what RS leadership might be offering up? I see Carol Lynn as a revered high priestess in the church. If a thousand women/mothers would join her quest to save lives, real change might come from SLC. She absolutely hit it squarely on the nail, “open the closets.” They needed to be aired out a long time ago…

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    George wrote:

    I mentioned Carol Lynn Pearson to my TBM ex (I had just watched the five amazing interviews). She immediately dismissed Ms. Pearson, as “a crazy lady.”

    Sadly, I feel this view is becoming all too common among true believers. There are currently several threads slamming Ms. Pearson’s efforts over on MADB. If she continues being outspoken on this issue, no matter how softly, I wonder how long it’ll be before she finds herself in a disciplinary court.

    #234457
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    Just a personal request: Can we not use “court of love” here? Used by some, it’s sappy; used by others, it’s mocking. There is no good usage for the term, so let’s just call it a disciplinary court, ok?

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    Old-Timer wrote:

    Just a personal request: Can we not use “court of love” here? Used by some, it’s sappy; used by others, it’s mocking. There is no good usage for the term, so let’s just call it a disciplinary court, ok?

    Oh come on Ray.

    #234459
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    I think when she said sitting there is stewing causes contention, she meant internal contention. Our goal should be peace with our religion, and I suppose in her case, verbalizing her issues brings a measure of peace due to the resulting authenticity, the fact that others might agree, etcetera.

    I had some other impressions of this video though — the biggest one was when I asked myself “What will it take for the Church to revise its views on women?” (not that this is a big issue with me — I have enough on my plate for the time being). My thought — probably severe declines in membership over this issue, or even decliines in temple recommend-holding which also hurts tithing. History has shown that big doctrinal changes tend to happen when the organization as a whole is threatened (confiscation of assets due to plural marriage) or going to receive some benefit as a result of the change (blacks and the priesthood).

    John asked her one question I thought was interesting — what should we do about this? CLP couldn’t say much — you can’t tell everyone to speak out and revolt, or you’ll get disciplined. She just said she does her own little thing — she couldn’t present herself as an activitist within the Church.

    Also, there was some definite marketing going on there with her books.

    Overall, I felt she was walking a tightrope and at times, made comments that I think would disturb the brethren deeply.

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