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September 30, 2010 at 1:01 am #205401
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GuestI have been reading quite a few of the posts on this site and glad sites like this exist. I am hoping to get some perspective/experience to help with my predicament and so wanted to introduce myself. I have been feeling quite a lack of the spirit in my life for several years and want and need to stop spinning my wheels in this limbo. I was born and raised in the church and had a good church experience. I think like a lot of people I went to church because it was just what we did as a family. I have never had a strong experience where I knew the church was true but I have certainly felt spiritual and good in church at times and have always felt fairly close to God and felt like when I prayed to him there was a connection. My parents divorced when I was 15 and I became semi active to totally inactive until I was about 23 when I started to get back into the church.
Growing up I never really thought too hard about Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon-it was just something I accepted along with everything else church related. When I started to get back active I actually started reading the BofM and thinking about its origins and Joseph Smith and did have some questions and doubts. Some things in the BofM just seemed too convenient. Since my reactivation I have never been able to get fully on board with Joseph Smith and the BofM but I became comfortable with going to church and didn’t worry about it too much.
My wife was a non-member when we got married and I baptized her 6 years into our marriage and we were sealed a year after that and our children were sealed to us also. Fast forward to now and we are both struggling with going to church and if it was not for the kids would probably be taking a sabbatical for awhile. Our two younger kids would probably be fine with us not going but our 13 year old son has good friends in the church and enjoys passing the sacrament and church in general. So we are kind of resigned to going for the forseeable future.
I started poking around the internet and found this site and other Mormon sites including MormonStories. It was a relief and a help to realize that there are a lot of people in similar circumstances. I go to church and feel like I am the only one.
I titled my post “On the brink” because that is how I feel after getting some information on church history. I listened to a podcast on MormonStories where Grant Palmer was interviewed about his book on Mormon origins and that was a hard pill to swallow. I know this is one persons perspective on church history but I feel this is probably more a reality of what happened than what I have been taught my entire life. I know there is a lot more of church history which would probably be very hard for me to find out about. I feel like that scene in the Matrix where I can take the blue pill and see reality or the red one and go on living a mirage. When I start really thinking about things I see my whole religious reality crumbling if I start looking into the real church history. This is a very scary and stressful place for me to be. I wish I would have pursued my doubts and questions more thoroughly when I was 23 instead of now 20 years later.
I am scared about finding out the real history but I don’t want to go another 20 years with a bunch of questions and doubts either. I am a thinking person and want to know what is real. I know many people have been through this and somehow are able to do it but I am wondering how.
September 30, 2010 at 1:11 am #235405Anonymous
Guesttrudge52 wrote:… I know many people have been through this and somehow are able to do it but I am wondering how.
That is what I wonder everyday as well. It’s the purpose of the site and it has been a big help to me. Hope you find the discussion here of value while you try to figure it out.
September 30, 2010 at 2:38 am #235406Anonymous
GuestQuote:I know many people have been through this and somehow are able to do it but I am wondering how.
It helps to live in a fantasy world.
😆 (If you’ve followed some of the discussions between cwald and I, you’ll understand that joke. If not, ignore it. )
Time and perspective help a lot. Too many people act and react quickly, with emotional moves. Patience really is a virtue in this regard.
September 30, 2010 at 3:14 am #235407Anonymous
GuestI’m like you, would probably be on a hiatus if it wasn’t for my children, particularly my daughter who loves being a Mormon, . I have all this external pressure to stay with it for her benefit when my heart isn’t really in it like it was years ago. My advice is to forget about the history, and focus on what the Church is TODAY, and the positive impact it can have on your life — and the fruits you’re seeing in your 13 year old, and similar fruits that may well evolve in your other children. If you want the motivational effects of a testimony, then I suggest you pray and ask God if this is the place He wants you to be and raise your children. Don’t ask if it’s true — ask if this is the place you should be right now. There probably is bad history in this organization, but that doesn’t nullify where the Church has landed right now. There are many good things such as structure for youth, rubbing shoulders with people who have high standards and good values, a pretty good emphasis on youth programs, and good resources for families such as family home evening resources and such.
Also, focus on the truth that you find in the BoM and D&C, the way you might look to the writings of a wise person for spiritual nourishment and such. Even if the BoM DIDN’t come from the roots it claims, there is a lot of goodness in it that is positive for your life. Many passages which are teeming with motivational ideas and stories that provide good sources of reflection on what it means to live a good life.
Also, don’t beat yourself up about not being necessarily authentic with everyone — recognize that holding your tongue, or sidestepping certain lessons (if you’re a teacher or leader) that you don’t believe is normal for many of us. I’m that way….testify of things that you really believe — such as general principles of Christianity, for example, if put on the spot to testify. And serve in ways that are meaningful for you.
This is becoming my prescription for peace in the Church for the time being — until I get another blast of testimony that jars me into a full-believing mode, should God grant it to me at some point.
I realize this advice may well be from my own experience and not necessarily resonate with you — and that’s OK. Welcome nonetheless — looking forward to hearing your experiences.
September 30, 2010 at 3:03 pm #235408Anonymous
GuestI think some things like the history of the church are scary because we have such black and white mentality. But basically I’ve had to start looking at all of history, not just church history, and much of what happens today in a different light. Institutions, governments, homes, any organization is run by fallible people. Really, really fallible. I’ve really given upon revering anyone because usually they will disappoint you! Admiring people for their good and realizing they are “just people” is quite freeing. Realizing that everything usually has a dark past or underbelly is pretty freeing, too. I also remember being about 21 and coming to the realization that my parents were PEOPLE. Holy crap, people first before they were even my parents. And guess what, sometimes they sucked at being parents and sometimes they were people with these flaws. Once I realized that that was exactly what they were supposed to be.
And I’ll say that SD did a great job expressing some great ways to find a happy medium.
September 30, 2010 at 3:31 pm #235409Anonymous
GuestWelcome to the community! Glad to have you with us for the ride. I agree with so much of what has already been said. Great advice!
trudge52 wrote:I feel like that scene in the Matrix where I can take the blue pill and see reality or the red one and go on living a mirage. When I start really thinking about things I see my whole religious reality crumbling if I start looking into the real church history. This is a very scary and stressful place for me to be. I wish I would have pursued my doubts and questions more thoroughly when I was 23 instead of now 20 years later.
I’ll add my $0.02. Yeah, it does feel like that — like taking the blue pill. I’ll add this challenging concept. Maybe your religious life should crumble (slowly, don’t make it a true existential crisis). The important perspective that a lot of people might miss is this doesn’t have to be negative. Just because our way of seeing the world wasn’t as sophisticated and nuanced as the underlying reality, that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a useful and valuable way of living.
Perhaps now you are on the edge (the brink) of a very positive spiritual growth. Many of us experienced that lack of feeling spiritual and nourished because our old way of experiencing the spiritual world was no longer working for us. The change was good. I can speak from my own experience. I feel
MUCHmore spiritually connected, happy, and like my religious life makes sense … after letting go of my former dysfunctional expectations. I’ve never felt closer and more in touch with God, while no longer really “knowing” what God is precisely. We tend to talk about the Church being useful, valuable and full of opportunities; and not so much about figuring out whether it is absolutely “true” or not.
I highly recommend checking out our Stages of Faith resources, material based on the research and works of Dr. James Fowler:
http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=557 I am also a big fan of Joseph Campbell, who explores the purposes of myth and religion, and the value and vital role it plays in our lives. A good introduction is “The Power of Myth.”
Feel free to bring up questions about Church History and doctrinal development here too. Many of us are very familiar with these topics, and have managed to integrate a more realistic understanding of history into our practice of Mormonism. The more complete and full history is an issue for a lot of members that come across it. It tends to be a bit of a shock, but that is mostly due to the contrast of the overly simplified version we experience in church classes and study materials.
October 1, 2010 at 1:53 am #235410Anonymous
GuestI really appreciate the reply’s. Just hearing others perspectives and ideas is a help. I am still feeling way out of sorts and really stressed but also I guess excited for a possibly more real and fulfilling life. I have been cruising along for so long not examining my life that hopefully in the end this will be a good growth experience. It is hard to see it that way right now but I’m hopeful. October 1, 2010 at 2:25 am #235411Anonymous
GuestI like what Brian said about your journey potentially being positive. While I definitely had what I’d call a “faith crisis” in 2002, the defining moment was a “faith explosion” in 2003. I think something like that is worth anticipating. Anymore, I don’t find the LDS Church and religion as a whole particularly impressive. But that doesn’t mean it’s a particularly bad church either. It has big negatives and positives. And it’s my church. I’ll just list a few positives (again, I’m not claiming they add up along with the negatives to anything particularly impressive, but they are nice):
I am a Child of God
- I lived in Heaven a long time ago (44 years, to be be precise), it is true
- As I have loved you, love one another
- We believe that He will yet reveal (to you!) many great and important things pertaining to His Kingdom
- Power and influence can only be maintained by patient persuasion and real love
- Great music!
- Lay ministry and congregational participation (I say this in appreciation after attending the UU congregation for a couple of months)
- Stephen Covey
- The Arbinger Institute
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