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October 2, 2010 at 6:36 pm #205414
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GuestI was wondering if there are some books that would be recommended to someone wanting to get a good factual introduction to church history. Even though I’m sure there are different interpretations of the implications of what happened in the history of the church are there some facts that all sides accept as actually what happened? I’m hoping that there are some resources that have been written without someones agenda but that just have the facts presented. I have heard of “An insiders view of Mormon origins” and “Rough Stone Rolling”. I don’t know if these would fit the bill or not. I just feel that I need to know what really happened rather than the party line that I have been taught my whole life. Any suggestions would be appreciated. October 2, 2010 at 6:48 pm #235577Anonymous
Guest“Rough Stone Rolling”actually is an excellent suggestion. Richard Bushman obviously is not totally objective, but nobody is. There simply is no way to get a book that is only factual, unless you are willing to get a really, really, really boring book. “Early Mormonism and the Magic World View”also is an excellent book – not “just factual” but very helpful in placing the Restoration into its time and culture. Finally, I would recommend you check out the stuff written by Dr. Jan Shipps. She is Methodist, but her specialty is Mormonism – and she is doing a project now on Mormonism post-WWII that includes personally interviewing many of the GA’s and apostles in SLC. I am excited to read the book when she finishes it, largely because she is as fair and objective as anyone of whom I know.
October 2, 2010 at 10:22 pm #235578Anonymous
GuestCheck out the list of books here–there are some very good suggestions. Some of the scholarly books can be a bit dry, but if you stick with it, you can find some amazing information. Great Basin Kingdomis wonderful for the Utah Period. I’ve read Rough Stone Rolling(RSR) and Insider’s View of Mormon Origins. Both are good, but Insider’s View didn’t seem as credible as RSR. Anything by Quinn has good info, but sometimes his footnotes don’t match his conclusions, so be careful. He puts so many footnotes in his books that it is practically impossible to check them all for accuracy. But I am aware of a few where he seemed to stretch the interpretation a bit. October 3, 2010 at 3:14 am #235579Anonymous
GuestThank you for the suggestions. It sounds like “Rough Stone Rolling” is a good one to start with. Ray I think you are right when you talk about it being awfully hard finding something that is halfway readable without at least a little bit of the authors biases coming in. That was wishful thinking on my part. I’m looking forward to expanding my knowledge a bit. October 3, 2010 at 2:00 pm #235580Anonymous
GuestA lot of people want history that is “just the facts” and look for an “objective” source. I would argue there is really no such thing. History is a story told by people, from their perspective. Now I readily admit that some history and historians are better than others. And some can have strong agendas, while others are more open to examining multiple perspectives. As far as early Mormon history and learning about Joseph Smith, I recommend the following two books be read, sort of as a matching set:
“Rough Stone Rolling” by Richard Bushman
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“No Man Knows My History” by Fawn Brodie
“Rough Stone Rolling” is more positive, but still very excellent and addresses serious, tough topics. It is no milquetoast correlated history book. But it is sold in LDS Church book stores. Richard Bushman is an active member of the church (a stake patriarch too), and a very well-qualified and admired historian. It’s hard for members to say it’s “anti-Mormon” propaganda. I would say that Richard Bushman portrays Joseph as a prophet, but in a much more loose and fuzzy way compared to our image in Mormon culture (a super-hero type of idealized holy man)
“No Man Knows My History” on the other hand was written by a historian that did not believe Joseph Smith was a prophet, and portrays some interesting and more negative perspectives (compared to RSR above). This book is considered one of the “must reads” in Mormon studies. Fawn Brodie was excommunicated for writing it. I would say her perspective is this — Joseph Smith was a religious genius, but a fraud. She admires him greatly, and at some point has difficulty explaining around some of the truly miraculous things in his life, but doesn’t believe him in the end. I thought her book was a good read too. It was less dry, and very well written and interesting.
October 5, 2010 at 5:05 am #235581Anonymous
GuestOctober 5, 2010 at 11:03 pm #235582Anonymous
GuestI’d recommend Arrington’s “The Mormon Experience” and Allen and Leonard’s “The Story of the Latter-day Saints”. They were both done at about the same time when Arrington was church historian with his book published by Knopf and aimed at a non mormon audience and the other written for members. Both are well written and have honest history of the church. They may be a little hard to find but are worth it. September 29, 2012 at 3:26 am #235583Anonymous
GuestHere is a thread with some suggesitons of good books to read that are relatively “balanced”. February 14, 2013 at 11:44 pm #235584Anonymous
GuestI”m bumping up this thread, as well. February 15, 2013 at 4:39 am #235585Anonymous
GuestI agree with Brian that No Man Knows My Historyis an interesting and good read. I also think that it is definitely biased and that Brodie puts herself in Joseph’s head and presents her own opinions as fact. February 15, 2013 at 4:56 am #235586Anonymous
GuestDefinitely Rough Stone Rolling, although it’s long. Hope you like to read! I think the suggestion to bookend it with Brodie’s No Man Knows My History is good advice, but bear in mind that her willingness to insert thoughts into her biographical subjects heads has been widely criticized. She’s fallen out of favor as a biographer because this was viewed as not being scholarly. I believe Todd Compton’s In Sacred Loneliness is another must read, although I didn’t. I read Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith which is another good source, though parts were a bit dusty for me.
I’d add the David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism, although it’s not as early – but I found it a very enjoyable read. If you want to read about the historical roots of the temple, I always recommend Breuger’s Mysteries of Godliness, which I mostly devoured.
I’d skip An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins because it doesn’t do a good job distinguishing between what is credible and what is ridiculously speculative. Lots of people read it, but I think you want some foundation before you start considering some of the theories its putting forward, several of which IMO don’t hold water.
February 15, 2013 at 5:03 am #235587Anonymous
GuestIf you want to add me as a Goodreads friend, I’m “Hawkgrrrl” there also, and I have my reviews from all the Mormon books I’ve read. Here are some that I mentioned above. Insider’s View of Mormon Origins: An interesting literary criticism of the Book of Mormon and the Book of Abraham. There were many interesting points, some of which had more merit than others. Ultimately, it was interesting if not entirely convincing (kind of like a lot of the papers I wrote in college). More convincing: Book of Abraham connection to obscure 19th century astronomy book, connections between the BOM and 19th century preaching styles, Biblical connections to the BOM (and the lack of new doctrine), the gullible nature of the witnesses to the BOM, questions about the nature of translation. Less convincing: Smith family connection to the BOM (merely alluded to), the priesthood restoration as a fabrication (no attention was paid to OC’s role or impeccable character), no real attempt to fathom the character or present a cohesive picture of Joseph Smith was made, dismissing spiritual conversion. Utterly unconvincing: The Golden Pot connection. Old News: the rock in the hat as a means of translation, not using the plates directly, the Kinderhook plates, the nature of the BOM witnesses, the issues with the Book of Abraham and funerary texts, JS’s gullibility and money digging. Mormon Enigma: It’s as exciting as reading the meeting notes from the first Relief Society. There’s plenty of interesting stuff going on here, but it’s presented in such a bland fashion that it’s slow going. Bushman’s RSR was eminently more readable if less controversial and interesting. Various perspectives on Joseph & Emma’s relationship (and disagreements/concessions over polygamy) are presented; unfortunately, one feels that there is no way to really get at the heart of it. Emma’s feelings are ambivalent and well, enigmatic. She’s a tough nut to crack. Rough Stone Rolling: I loved it. Much better than Mormon Enigma which was deadly dull despite the fascinating subject. I use this book in my RS lesson prep. It’s a great supplement to materials provided for teaching that class. The style of writing is very readable. Chapters were digestible and comprehensible despite the heady topic. It was a respectful yet open-minded treatment of a very biased subject. Mysteries of Godliness: This was intermittently interesting and at times deadly dull (recopied lists of things or multiple-page long quotes – ugh!). But it was chock full of fascinating temple facts you may not know. Even the most casual temple goer is probably aware of the Masonic symbolism in the temple and the link between temple work and the Book of Abraham. But this book provides far more interesting facts that those. For example, did you know that there have thus far been 86 million vicarious endowments performed, with an estimated 70 billion humans who have lived on the earth (only 69.14 billion to go!)? Did you know that part of the first temple film was from the movie Fantasia (courtesy of Disney Studios)? Did you know that there was no Word of Wisdom requirement specified for temple worthiness until 1921 (although swearing was specifically prohibited? Did you know that original “recommends” were literally a recommendation by a bishop, not at the request of the member (who was unaware until invited)? Did you know that there was no vicarious work performed until the 1890s? Were you aware of the ordinance of “second anointings” that were discontinued in the 1940s due to confusion over predestination vs. blessings being conditional on one’s continued worthiness? Did you know that the age for endowments was at one point 15 years but those exhibiting maturity could be endowed as early as age 12? Did you know that the first time the ceremony was written down was in 1877, after many changes had already taken place? Were you aware that at one point, men were asked to abstain from touching their wives for 10 days prior to receiving an endowment and that women were supposed to wait 7 days after their menstrual cycle? In addition to chronicling the changes in the temple ceremony throughout the ages, there are some cringe-worthy sexist statements by Brigham Young (they are really beyond the pale), and a thoughtful look at the future of temple worship from a sociological as well as theological perspective. What changes will occur in the future? Only time will tell. David O. McKay & the Rise of Modern Mormonism: ** spoiler alert ** This was a fascinating read with insights into the inner workings of the apostles of the LDS church and the impacts David O. McKay had on things like: apostles writing inaccurate books without authorization under the name of the church (both Joseph Fielding Smith for Man, His Origin and Destiny and his son-in-law Bruce R. McConkie for the ubiquitous Mormon Doctrine), interfaith relations (the image of Bishop Hunt asking with tears in his eyes if David O. McKay really thought RC was church of the devil was poignant–FYI he didn’t agree with Bruce R. on this or many other things), the missionary program (issues with baseball baptisms and the ongoing tug between retention and baptism rates), racism (even DOM was oddly against civil rights, but for blacks having the priesthood), temples (DOM was not a fan when he first went), communism and the rise of the John Birch society (under DOM, the church was 45% democrat/55% republican – there seems to have been a subsequent shift, at least in the US), and some other fascinating topics. My favorite story is David O. McKay at a theater production in which the usher apologetically explained that all the cups had “Coca-Cola” printed on the outside, but they could offer him whatever type of soda he wanted. David O. McKay said, “I don’t care what’s on the outside of the cup, so long as there’s Coke IN the cup.” Cheers to you, David O. McKay! What I really found fascinating is how tolerance and love open the door for intolerance and bigotry to flourish. Is that really how it works on planet earth? February 17, 2013 at 7:59 pm #235588Anonymous
GuestI’ve just started Extensions of Power by Quinn and next on the list is No Man Knows My History. I’ll return and report

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