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Posting this in the Support area because the “Advice to TBM Spouse” thread prompted these thoughts and I wanted to share. Quote:Quote #1: When a seal is put upon the father and mother, it secures their posterity, so that they cannot be lost, but will be saved by virtue of the covenant of their father and mother.
Quote:Q#2: Our Heavenly Father is more liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive.
Quote:Q#3: But whoso breaketh this covenant and
altogetherturneth therefrom… Based on these, I believe the sealing power is much more binding than we think. The first talks specifically about children losing faith, but I think it could relate to spouses as well – especially the part about Heavenly Father being boundless in his mercies and blessings. We tend to think that if we’re not going to church every single Sunday, that this eternal binding power suddenly becomes moot. That’s a pretty weak “eternal sealing.” I emphasized the “altogether” because to me it offers hope that I have to completely, 100% turn away before I’m unable to receive forgiveness. Many – me included – aren’t turning away at all – we’re looking for the truth. Whatever it is.
I just have to think that if we are sealed that a loving Heavenly Father will respect those covenants more than we sometimes believe.
Roadrunner, can you provide the source for your quotes? Iam not very good a memorizing scripture or studing church history. Thank you.
Quote:Our Heavenly Father is more liberal in his views, and boundless in his mercies and blessings, than we are ready to believe or receive.
I agree with this, especially. I think we humans tend to need to believe this life is all that, and I absolutely believe in the concept of “fulfilling the measure of out creation”, but I believe God has all time and eternity to help us be what he wants us to be. I think one of the things we see through our glasses, most darkly, is the depth and breadth of divine mercy and patience.
Hi Mike, The first is Discourses of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 151. ed Alma Burton
The second is Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 257. ed Joseph Fielding Smith
The third is DC 84:41.
I probably dont have the syntax just right but those should get you there.
Great. Thank you. I believe that any promise, contract or covenant is not exactly that which it symbolizes. I believe it is more like (as a friend mentioned), a blueprint – an intent.
Whether the intent (ie celestial marriage) comes to fruition depends on if we fulfill the spirit of it, the relationship intended by putting forth the mind, heart & effort.
Featherina wrote:I believe that any promise, contract or covenant is not exactly that which it symbolizes.
I believe it is more like (as a friend mentioned), a blueprint – an intent.
Whether the intent (ie celestial marriage) comes to fruition depends on if we fulfill the spirit of it, the relationship intended by putting forth the mind, heart & effort.
I think I agree with this, but I believe the “intent”, and fulfilling the spirit of it, is between the individual and Heavenly Father. Based on JS’s statements above, then Heavenly Father might be more generous than many of us – and many of our TBM spouses – believe.
Roadrunner wrote:Featherina wrote:I believe that any promise, contract or covenant is not exactly that which it symbolizes.
I believe it is more like (as a friend mentioned), a blueprint – an intent.
Whether the intent (ie celestial marriage) comes to fruition depends on if we fulfill the spirit of it, the relationship intended by putting forth the mind, heart & effort.
I think I agree with this, but I believe the “intent”, and fulfilling the spirit of it, is between the individual and Heavenly Father. Based on JS’s statements above, then Heavenly Father might be more generous than many of us – and many of our TBM spouses – believe.
It seems like a healthy approach to finding a way to embrace a marriage despite differences in religious interpretation.
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