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November 30, 2010 at 12:22 am #205520
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GuestI found it interesting to hear the reaction from Buffalo Bills wide receiver Steve Johnson after he dropped an easy, game-winning touchdown pass on Sunday. I guess he didn’t say it, he twittered this (apparently thinking God gets tweets like He gets prayers): Quote:I PRAISE YOU 24/7!!!!!! AND THIS HOW YOU DO ME!!!!! YOU EXPECT ME TO LEARN FROM THIS??? HOW???!!! ILL NEVER FORGET THIS!! EVER!! THX THO….
Interesting that he was frustrated at God for his dropped pass.

On the flip side, it is also interesting to me when I see players give praise to God when they catch the pass, make the kick, or run in for a touchdown. Is God really involved in these sporting events? If so, wouldn’t you think BYU would go undefeated? (obviously, I’m a cougar, right?) What about when BYU plays Notre Dame…is the validity of the two religions at stake? Kind of like Moses taking on Pharaoh’s priests with snake sticks?
So many athletes put their faith in God and have very faith-promoting stories to tell when accomplishing amazing feats.
Steve Johnson’s reaction is pretty honest, but rarely said out loud to others. Usually only the “Praise God” comments are heard publicly.
To me, God is involved in these sporting events as much as he is involved in finding lost keys or answers to exams after a late night of cramming. Perhaps God helps us do the best we can with what our abilities are, and perhaps it is safe to always praise God for a positive outcome…but I fear it can set us all up for a crisis of faith (or at least a “Steve Johnson-like” frustrating disappointment) when we start to set our expectations on these outcomes to unimportant earthly situations.
Every game must have a winner and a loser (unless you are playing hockey and can end in a tie which makes me more frustrated than Steve Johnson…”after 3 periods you do me like this???”)…I don’t think it goes to the team that prays most or has faith like the Sons of Helaman. I would find it much more inspiring to think of individuals praying to help focus their mind to do the best they can, regardless of the outcome, and thank God they were given talent to even play the game. But to assign blame, or assign success, to the Creator of the Universe for a football play is not inspiring to me, even if it was replayed in slow motion with inspirational background music and crying cheerleaders…its just a game.
November 30, 2010 at 1:31 am #237102Anonymous
Guest*shrug* What can ya’ say? For a short time period, Dion Sanders did a “Holy Ghost dance” whenever he intercepted a pass. He never did that dance when he got schooled and gave up a touchdown. Go figure.
I think God appreciates football – just like I think he appreciates SOME opera – and good literature – and great art – and a really good meal – and a nice hair style. I just don’t think he’s a “fan” in the classic sense of just about anything.
November 30, 2010 at 1:41 am #237103Anonymous
GuestHeber13 wrote:…On the flip side, it is also interesting to me when I see players give praise to God when they catch the pass, make the kick, or run in for a touchdown. Is God really involved in these sporting events? If so, wouldn’t you think BYU would go undefeated? What about when BYU plays Notre Dame…is the validity of the two religions at stake?
…To me, God is involved in these sporting events as much as he is involved in finding lost keys or answers to exams after a late night of cramming. Perhaps God helps us do the best we can with what our abilities are, and perhaps it is safe to always praise God for a positive outcome…but I fear it can set us all up for a crisis of faith…when we start to set our expectations on these outcomes to unimportant earthly situations…Every game must have a winner and a loser…I don’t think it goes to the team that prays most…its just a game.
According to former BYU wide receiver Austin Collie, God must be a football fan and apparently he also takes sides and plays favorites based on whether or not certain players are “living right” and depending on who deserves to win based on this kind of criteria sometimes God supposedly steps in and then “magic happens.” Of course the problem with this theory is that it would also mean that many BYU players and coaches must not have been living right this year given their relative lack of success.
Personally, I always liked to see players like Tim Tebow and Kurt Warner point to the sky to show their heartfelt appreciation for the man upstairs and to use sports as a platform to promote religion as much as possible and if it makes them feel better or more confident to think that God is affecting their performance then good for them. However, to me it looks like God is just as likely to simply let random events play out most of the time (Ecclesiastes 9:11) and in this case I think the primary determining factors are skill, teamwork, talent, and pure luck. In fact, it seems like some of the best players often have very questionable character off the field. That’s why I usually draft many players that I don’t really like for my fantasy teams because winning doesn’t really depend on being nice and maybe there is even an inverse correlation in many cases.
November 30, 2010 at 2:01 am #237104Anonymous
GuestI think I agree with your sentiments. The idea of God taking sides in a sporting event seems silly. However, once I take that step, I honestly have to say that I have a difficult time making a distinction between attributing to God the outcome of a sporting event and attributing to God the outcome of a loved one’s possibly terminal illness (for instance). I think most of us would agree that it would be bad form to criticize someone for claiming that their loved one was saved by virtue of their prayers. Obviously I don’t know the answer to this one. It’s something I struggle with. November 30, 2010 at 2:30 pm #237105Anonymous
GuestTry googling “the game they play in heaven”. It’s not American football, I assure you. 😆 I believe on the other hand that Hell (and Outer Darkness) is full of badly behaved European soccer fans though. Cricketers go to the telestial kingdom for boring everyone to tears and obsessive behavior, baseball players possibly to the terrestrial for taking less time than the cricketers. Soccer players (and nicer fans) will all be split between the two lower kingdoms. I’m not sure where sumo wrestlers go to, but they shall have to have a very LARGE mansion… I’m not sure where players of Aussie rules will go to, but they shall have to have a large pitch anyway.
Lady volleyball players get to the celestial kingdom if they’re pretty. (Sorry, I’m being sexist!)
December 1, 2010 at 4:32 pm #237106Anonymous
GuestI think some gods are football fans. Isn’t there a wickedly devious field goal god that kickers have to appease? That god was not in Nevada last weekend. But I think GOD himself really isn’t concerned about the score. I have a hope that GOD is concerned about the outcome, but not wins and loses. I hope he’s concerned with how players handle the wins and loses, and how they can use those experiences to make them better people. I don’t have a problem with a player pointing to the sky after he/she scores, or thanking God for their talents/abilities. We sometimes see those same people still praising and thanking God even when they lose, but it would probably be bad form and annoy fans if they did their Holy Ghost dance after losing their jock and getting schooled. I saw that a player just this last week caught hell from fans and press after being seen laughing with a teammate on the sidelines while losing a game. “You’re supposed to look sad, dummy!” Maybe they were saying, “Check it out, we’re getting our butts whipped by a better team today but we’re still happy because of the talents God gave us that allows us to play at this very high level and make LOTS of money! Thanks, God! We praise you. Now, can I please throw a touchdown pass?”
That guy in particular might have been saying, “Thank you God for letting me start ahead of the Mormon.”
Maybe the reason BYU doesn’t win every game is because there are enough Mormons praying that they’ll lose. Ha.
December 1, 2010 at 9:58 pm #237107Anonymous
GuestCnsl1 wrote:Maybe the reason BYU doesn’t win every game is because there are enough Mormons praying that they’ll lose. Ha.
Hmm. So does God decide to intervene based on volume of prayers against BYU, or righteousness of the few that do pray for BYU that are obviously more in tune with the spirit!
December 2, 2010 at 2:12 am #237108Anonymous
GuestGod is a football fan, and I hear he will be in Corvallis this Saturday for College Gameday, tailgating at the Civil War. DA = bringing up the Collie comments made me go into giggles – all over again. Thanks for that. I had almost forgotten that embarrassing episode. I once wrote a letter to SLC with a GREAT tithing proposal. I proposed that we base the tithing % on the number of wins BYU gets during their football season. I can’t believe they didn’t take me up on it. At the time they were getting 11-12 wins a season! Of course, on a year like this, I might actually be able to be a full-tithe payer and get TR!
Sam – I think soccer is a fine sport to play — if you have ovaries.

Okay girlss, let’s get serious here. One of my brothers (oh god, you know this isn’t going to end well) wrestled for Ricks college. He CLAIMS that Bedard, who was the school president at the time, would often give talks to the sports teams and tell them that “Ricks was God’s school, so they were God’s team, and that if they were living right and following the commandments, that they could expect divine help in their sporting event.”
I believe him (my brother, idiots – not Bedard!
) It certainly makes sense, especially after Collie’s remarks, which were very similar to what I heard my brother say on multiple occasions 15 years ago or so.
Of course, this is just one more episode/story that helps folks understand why I have such a difficult time with orthodoxy/cultural mormonism.
December 2, 2010 at 2:17 am #237109Anonymous
GuestDevilsAdvocate wrote:… That’s why I usually draft many players that I don’t really like for my fantasy teams because winning doesn’t really depend on being nice and maybe there is even an inverse correlation in many cases.
I was an avid fantasy football participant from 1995-2010. I had a job writing a weekly satire column called “Wals Calls” for the website, junkyardjake.com and fftoolbox.com. Curious, did you ever come across it?
December 2, 2010 at 2:03 pm #237110Anonymous
GuestDon’t good Christian wrestlers turn the other cheek? December 2, 2010 at 3:38 pm #237111Anonymous
GuestQuote:I think some gods are football fans. Isn’t there a wickedly devious field goal god that kickers have to appease? That god was not in Nevada last weekend.
Saddest game evah.
December 2, 2010 at 7:21 pm #237112Anonymous
Guestcwald wrote:DA = bringing up the Collie comments made me go into giggles – all over again. Thanks for that. I had almost forgotten that embarrassing episode.
It’s harder to forget about here because people keep bringing it up (along with Max Hall’s tirade about hating the University of Utah and its fans) because of all the animosity between Utah and BYU fans.
cwald wrote:DevilsAdvocate wrote:… That’s why I usually draft many players that I don’t really like for my fantasy teams because winning doesn’t really depend on being nice and maybe there is even an inverse correlation in many cases.
I was an avid fantasy football participant from 1995-2010. I had a job writing a weekly satire column called “Wals Calls” for the website, junkyardjake.com and fftoolbox.com. Curious, did you ever come across it?
I read a few articles on fftoolbox but I can’t remember exactly which ones. I haven’t spent a lot of time researching different projections or strategies as much as I’d like to most years because it seems like once the draft date comes up I usually end up having only about an hour or two to prepare for it.
December 5, 2010 at 4:46 am #237113Anonymous
GuestWell, apparently god is not an Oregon State Beaver fan. At least he was able to do enough divine intervention to get the “lord’s team” into a bowl game, even if it’s just the New Mexico bowl. Who is BYU playing anyway, Albuquerque High School?
December 6, 2010 at 8:06 pm #237114Anonymous
GuestBYU vs UTEP (also 6 and 6). BYU better step up its prayers…they seem to only be working half the time right now, unlike UTEP that is left to chance and the strength in the arm of flesh.

Well…all joking aside…my point was that I think we should use our noggins to know what to pray for in our lives, and accept there are some things God is not likely to get involved in (like football). It goes back to some of our earlier discussions about our expectations, and how we can be let down if our expectations are not set correctly.
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