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    I have have developed a slight dislike for Brother Brigham Young.

    Part of it may be rooted in the fact that as a child I always felt a little scared of the Brigham Young Statues. The statues size and pose was very similar to the Statue seen in fun yet spooky made for T.V. Disney movie Bride of Boogedy, which is a squeal to Mr. Boogedy.

    In these movies a power hungry pilgrim named William Hanover (Mr. Boogedy) sells his soul to the Devil in return for a magical cloak. He mainly wanted this powerful cloak to force a Single Mother he obsessed over to marry him. During William Hanover’s spell casting he destroyed his house and killed everyone around the house including himself. Even as a ghost William has great power thanks to this magical cloak. However when his cloak is taken away from him he grows very weak and has very little power in the physical world.

    In Bride of Boogedy his cloak is in a house he once haunted, however he can’t enter this house to get it. His spirit is somehow trapped inside a statue of himself in a grave yard. However if the cloak is placed on the statue his spirit is free and once again has power over the physical world.

    As I watch both of these movies on youtube I tend to wonder if someone had loosely based Mr. Boogedy on Brigham Young. The part about being a Pilgrim that maybe abused his power a little to get women.

    As I mentioned earlier the Statue in the movie looks very similar to some of the Statues of Brigham Young.

    Feel free to check out the movies on youtube and tell me what you think….

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    Brigham Young was a complex character of a person. I am reading the Leonard Arrington biography of him called “Brigham Young: American Moses.” I’m not that far into it yet and only up to the Kirtland years. But he is so far an odd paradox of faith and pragmatism, intense compassion and charity at times then other times having a disconnect and insensitivity. Out of all of that paradox comes a fiercely confident and determined individual for sure!

    #240229
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    BY was first and foremost what JS was not, an excellent organizer, but not good at the spiritual stuff. He was also a hard man, which is also what kept the LDS church above water in difficult times. Sometimes you need such a person, when you are being mistreated or abused by outsiders. However, he did have dictatorial tendencies, which meant that sometimes that was turned inward.

    #240230
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    The older I get and the more I read about BY, the more I dislike his character. His writings/sermons on polygamy and race issues really give me the creeps. I think he was a good leader as far as keeping the church afloat – but I also think he was very cruel and lacked compassion, especially for women, blacks and EVERYONE who disagreed with his belief system.

    I see very little of “christ-like” attitude from him to be honest. I doubt I would have remained a member if I lived under his “tyranny.”

    #240231
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    Well I guess I’m glad I’m not the only one who feels a little creeped by Brigham young.

    Though I am just wondering if anyone else remembers the fun little spooky films. and if not if they bothered to check it out on the youtube.

    I’m just wondering if anyone else can see any kind of parallel between Mr. Boogedy and Brigham Young. Or at least a similar look when it comes to the statue in the 2nd movie.

    I know it will take time to watch the little shorts but honestly it will take about as much time to listen to an average Mormon Stories pod cast.

    Like I said maybe part of my dislike is just rooted to the statue. When I was a kid I was afraid the Brigham young Statue in Temple square was going to come to life and start shooting green lighting bolts.

    #240232
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    Scary yes, but like I say, sometimes you need a strong man. This idea that we can all be Gandhis and MLKs is an idea promoted by the strong – the strong want people they can shoot, not people who fire back.

    Agree with Cwald about women and blacks etc, but he did have good points. He created Utah, good and bad, and developed it.

    #240233
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    I have such mixed emotions about him. For example I really like this statement made by him on “Personal Responsiblity”:

    In the early history of the Church, many converts who joined with the body of the Saints expected to find a spiritual utopia. Frustrated at finding that the communities of the Saints were populated with people, who in many instances were no better than themselves, some of these immigrants voiced their disillusionment and left the Church. These people had anticipated a Zion in which they could bask in spiritual light day and night. Longing to be nurtured by revelations, miracles, and manifestations of divine power, they sought heaven on earth. They did not realize that spiritual maturity often comes slowly and that many, like themselves, find the courage and strength necessary to overcome their own weaknesses. Of such people, Brigham Young would inquire, “What hinders you from enjoying all that you anticipated?” If you are not as you desire to be, if you do not feel the prompting or influence of the Holy Ghost to the extent that you think you should, where is the fault to be found? Responding to his own question, President Young explained that it was a mistake to suppose that others could prevent you from enjoying the light of God in your soul. “All hell,” he said, “cannot hinder me from enjoying Zion in my own heart, if my individual will yields obedience to the requirements and mandates of my Heavenly Master “ (JD 1:311). Brigham Young declared himself to be the only man in heaven, on earth, or in hell responsible for Brigham Young. Further he held that the same doctrine applied equally to every Latter-day Saint. Salvation is an individual matter. “I am the only person that can accept Christ and save myself,” said Brigham. We cannot pin our faith on someone else’s sleeve. No one can accept or reject salvation in behalf of another. It is not the object or design of the gospel to create spiritual dependence. Of those who constantly suspend their own judgment to lean upon others they suppose to have greater wisdom than themselves, President Young said that they ‘will never be capable of entering into the celestial glory to be crowned as they anticipate; they will never be capable of becoming gods.” They cannot rule themselves, let alone give direction to others. Spiritually, he likened them to children who need direction in every trifle. “They cannot control themselves in th least, but James, Peter, or somebody else must control them. They can never become gods, nor be crowned as rulers with glory, immortality, and eternal lives.” Who will?” asked President Young, “those who are valiant and inspired with the true independence of heave, who will go forth boldly in the service of their God, leaving others to do as they please, determined to do right, though all mankind besides should take the opposite course.” Ibid, p.312) (taken from SEEKING THE SPIRIT by Joseph Fielding McConkie)

    And I like some of his quotes on health as well but so much of what he said was wrong. So, I see him as a mixed bag.

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    cwald wrote…

    The older I get and the more I read about BY, the more I dislike his character. His writings/sermons on polygamy and race issues really give me the creeps. I think he was a good leader as far as keeping the church afloat – but I also think he was very cruel and lacked compassion, especially for women, blacks and EVERYONE who disagreed with his belief system.

    I see very little of “christ-like” attitude from him to be honest. I doubt I would have remained a member if I lived under his “tyranny.”

    I was collecting my thoughts on BY when I read the previous epistle of cwald that took the words right out of my mouth! I am indebted to him though for giving me plenty of reason to doubt that he was “called of God” I can’t imagine a “Heaven” with BY in charge, sounds more like the other place!

    f4h1

    #240235
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    Take the polygamy and racism out of Brigham and he would be one of the greatest leaders of American history. As it is he has the millstone of polygamy hanging around his neck that will forever overshadow his achievements in other areas.

    #240236
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    I agree Cadance.

    If you read the church material about BY, he sounds like the greatest man to ever live (after JS of course), but when you start to read the unwhitewashed history, his own writings, he’s not that rosy of a character anymore. I hope history will be as kind to me as it was BY – because in the church he can do no wrong, and they only talk about the positive things he did and said.

    Example – why don’t they put in the SS manual his sermon where he told the women of the church that he was tired of their whining about polygamy, and that if they wanted to go to CK they better buck-up and just deal with it. Then he tells them they have two weeks, and any women who disagrees with polygamy needs to pack their bags and get out, and after two weeks he better not hear anymore whining from the woman?

    You won’t fine that kind of story at church, but its right there in the Journal of Discourses. Take all that kind of stuff and all the horrible things he said about the blacks and interracial marriage – and I can see why he could be compared to the Boogie Man.

    Add that to the epistle of cwald, F4H1

    #240237
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    Cadence wrote:

    Take the polygamy and racism out of Brigham and he would be one of the greatest leaders of American history. As it is he has the millstone of polygamy hanging around his neck that will forever overshadow his achievements in other areas.

    Quelle ironie!

    I say this because many of the American founding fathers were slave owners – as Samuel Johnson wrote, “”How is it that we hear the loudest yelps for liberty among the drivers of negroes?” – including Jefferson who sired children by his black housemaid; you’ve got Pres. Woodrow Wilson, who managed to help reintroduce/strengthen segregation, and annoyed the Japanese so much that they chip they carried drove them into the spiral that led to Pearl Harbor…

    And pretty much all recent presidents have had mistresses. Some of them manage to keep it quiet, some of them don’t like, erm Bill Clinton.

    When it comes to sex, modern society is hypocritical. You can sleep with as many people as you like, just as long as you’re not married to them, or if you’re a serial monogamist, like Liz Taylor, that’s okay too. This is why I think polygamy is one of Mormonism’s lesser sins. I appreciate women could be oppressed by it, but women are also oppressed by monogamy, so called “free love”, and pressure to look beautiful and sleep around.

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