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March 1, 2011 at 4:22 pm #205763
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GuestI feel a bit uneasy about this topic, but I am curious to hear your thoughts. Do you feel that Satan is real being (possible controlling armies of evil) out to ruin the lives and salvation of everyone on earth, or is it a myth/symbol of the natural human tendencies. We are told both about the “natural man” and Satan in the scriptures, so which is it that I need to overcome. If I have an army of demons AND myself to overcome, then it seems like a bit of a stacked deck. March 1, 2011 at 4:27 pm #240513Anonymous
GuestI vote myth. Allegory. Perhaps a useful one in some respects. I don’t know. http://www.staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1881http://www.staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1881” class=”bbcode_url”> March 1, 2011 at 4:33 pm #240514Anonymous
GuestMyth. I think Satan is a metaphor for the subconscious mind – the demon within us all. March 1, 2011 at 4:36 pm #240515Anonymous
GuestI’m on the fence. If he is real I don’t think he has near the power over us that some would suppose. I feel more that he may be influential but I’m not sure why we’d need Satan if we already are “natural man.” But if there is no Satan it means to me there is no Savior. The whole opposition in all things comes into play. So I’m setting this on the shelf.
March 1, 2011 at 4:47 pm #240516Anonymous
Guestobservant wrote:So I’m setting this on the shelf.

It seems far too many gospel topics end up like this is my head! Shame we won’t have all the answers until we are out of the game.
March 1, 2011 at 4:50 pm #240517Anonymous
Guestobservant wrote:I But if there is no Satan it means to me there is no Savior.
Yep, I agree. Which is why I am truly an existential agnostic. Perhaps Satan/Savior are both spiritual “ideas” and “concepts” rather than literal figures?
March 1, 2011 at 4:52 pm #240518Anonymous
GuestThanks, doug, for providing the link to the previous thread. Saves me the time in trying to find it. 😆 I don’t know, so I take the good from all interpretations – and I really do think there is good and bad in every possibility.
March 1, 2011 at 4:56 pm #240519Anonymous
GuestMmm. Why do I feel increasingly tongue-tied as the years go by? Oh, well, I commented on that linked thread. What I said there. 😳 March 1, 2011 at 5:28 pm #240520Anonymous
GuestBrown wrote:I feel a bit uneasy about this topic, but I am curious to hear your thoughts.
Do you feel that Satan is real being (possible controlling armies of evil) out to ruin the lives and salvation of everyone on earth, or is it a myth/symbol of the natural human tendencies.We are told both about the “natural man” and Satan in the scriptures, so which is it that I need to overcome. If I have an army of demons AND myself to overcome, then it seems like a bit of a stacked deck. Personally, I don’t believe that people should be expected to overcome the “natural man” or Satan to nearly the extent the Church says because many things they insist are terrible sins are either not really sins at all or else they are not nearly as serious as we have been led to believe. I definitely believe in evil spirits regardless of what any skeptics say but I’m not so sure if there is one demon to rule them all. How would most people ever really know for sure either way? I don’t really know what to believe about this idea other than I think the mythical Satan character is very much overused by the Church to try to scare members and as an excuse for their own failures. For example, in Thomas S. Monson’s talk in the last conference he made it sound like smoking, drinking, and pornography are all tools used by Satan to take over members’ souls and lead them down to hell.
The problem is that if members try some of these things against the WoW or don’t want to stop looking at porn and then find that their life doesn’t go into an irreversible downward spiral as a direct result of these supposedly terrible sins then many of them will understandably lose confidence in the Church for good reason and it doesn’t really have anything to do with Satan. But Church leaders don’t want to admit that maybe they have been pretending that some of these strict rules are much more important than they really are all along so if they see members that smoke, drink, and/or look at porn typically “fall away” from the Church then it must be a sure sign that they were deceived by Satan and it supposedly confirms that the WoW and their anti-porn crusade are more necessary and absolutely right than ever.
March 2, 2011 at 3:03 am #240521Anonymous
GuestI’m with cwald. But that is a new belief for me. Last year at this time I still believed Satan was a very real and tangible entity. Wierd 🙄 CG
March 2, 2011 at 9:36 pm #240522Anonymous
GuestFor me, I believe Satan is real (Lucifer). However, the myth has become bigger than the fact, and opposition in all things means that evil will certainly exist and God allows that for our mortal experience…but I guess that it all exists outside of the direction and control of just one being, Satan. He just gets blamed for it all. March 3, 2011 at 12:39 am #240523Anonymous
GuestI believe he is real. I do not think of him as the boogie man, but I strongly believe that if God exists, then the opposite does too in some degree. Just my thoughts on the subject.
March 3, 2011 at 12:45 am #240524Anonymous
GuestFor me Satan is taking the same path as all the “truths” I used to believe in. f4h1
March 3, 2011 at 3:44 am #240525Anonymous
GuestHe’s real just listen to Osam Bin Laden when he talks about how he envisioned how the world trade centers would be destroyed (only the Master of the deadly Secret) would pull off something like that, and Adolf Hitler as well. Many of the Middle Eastern religions such as Islam and Zorastrianism claim his existence. Stalin was greatly influenced by him as well. Jesus has to have a Nemesis otherwise what would be the point. I like the Opposition in all Things doctrine it makes sense, even within Existentialist philosophy although it denies the existence of any metaphysical presence, but the premise is true if hot exists so must cold. March 3, 2011 at 5:48 am #240526Anonymous
Guestjamison wrote:Jesus has to have a Nemesis otherwise what would be the point.
Perhaps the enemy to Christ is ourselves. Really that’s who we have to overcome in this life, isn’t it?
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