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March 6, 2011 at 6:58 pm #205779
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Guestdelete please March 6, 2011 at 9:40 pm #240753Anonymous
GuestBLC, Welcome! I am new to this site, but can say this is a nice safe place to come with warm caring people who offer support!
March 7, 2011 at 3:13 am #240754Anonymous
GuestI love your thoughts BLC. I’m getting there now. One’s life doesn’t have to revolve around Church. Service does need to be a free will offering, and when you feel you have to do it because it’s expected, it’s not authentic. As some know, I’ve taken up teaching music lessons to an underpriviledgess girl in our Ward. I’m sharing who I am in the most authentic way and having a positive impact on her life an her family. I believe in what I’m doing with a passion. I think about it regularly, and I’m starting to TRULY LOVE this girl for her intelligence, her hard work, her ability, and her even quiet, gentle demeanor. I’m feeling true charity.
This has nothing to do with the aims of the Church in my view, it’s sheer love and kindness for another person. And that is what I lost after 20 years of being expected to move people, home teach people who don’t care, etcetera. For the first time in along time, I think the meaning of the word “Charity” has meaning to me.
Truth Restored without the Church in the middle. I love it.
March 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm #240755Anonymous
GuestHi BLC, Welcome to the community. Thanks for taking the time to share some about your personal journey. I love reading these stories because even though there are common themes, everyone is different and interesting. Glad to have you here with us to share a bit of the long road of life.
March 7, 2011 at 7:40 pm #240756Anonymous
GuestI’m glad you found this forum. I think we all learn from sharing our stories with each other, and I look forward to learning from your posts. I think we are supposed to find peace within ourselves for who we are and the questions we have. I think more of us in the church have them than we realize…it just becomes a personal journey, and sometimes it seems there is little support. Hopefully you find some support here. Welcome.
March 11, 2011 at 12:59 pm #240757Anonymous
Guestdelete please March 11, 2011 at 3:34 pm #240758Anonymous
GuestIdeals are the best generalities a people can envision at the time. Try to remember that.
Welcome!
March 16, 2011 at 9:40 am #240759Anonymous
Guestdelete please March 16, 2011 at 12:15 pm #240760Anonymous
GuestBLC – welcome to the site. Great reasons for being here. I hope you enjoy. March 17, 2011 at 12:18 pm #240761Anonymous
GuestBeLikeChrist wrote:I came to realize that anything regarding church had to be a free-will offering. I couldn’t just follow along what everyone else was doing. There is a tendency in Mormon culture to do things because this is the social expectation of Mormonism.We pay tithing, go to this meeting and that meeting, attend the temple, work at our callings etc., etc. Low and behold one is on a treadmill of Mormon church activity. What for ? To keep up with the spiritual Jones’s ? Or because we want to ? Sometimes it’s just good to stand back and say: I may not do this or that but I look after the material needs of my family. I don’t abuse my wife. I don’t go to bars and drink my pay check away etc.,etc.. Sometimes we just have to tell ourselves we are doing good in spite of not doing all we are suppose to do in the church, and I think that is important.
– Even if we do break standards or values within the Mormon community sometimes it’s just a matter of being or allowing ourselves to be human beings. Heck, if I want to ___________ then I’ll ___________, the heck with the church community standard on the issue.
I could go on and on about this but I think you get the picture. I had come to a place where I had to be comfortable with my own individuality and humanness – and even if it meant not keeping the commandments and just being human and allowing myself to be human.
Another conclusion I came to was that as a Mormon I felt I had lost my identity. Who was I without the church ? This I had to find out and this is what led to my conclusions above.
I am hoping that this community – StayLDS.com – can be a springboard for possibly aiding people to work through their negative feelings toward the church and possibly assist such individuals in coming back to full activity. My hope is that maybe this online community can help shape and change the church into a different entity, one where all can be accepted, all can be loved, and all can feel they have a voice in this worldwide church.
Sincerely yours,
BeLikeChrist
I so loved your honesty and sincere post. I welcome you too. What you wrote above reminded me of something I read many years ago that made me feel I was not alone in my thinking. I would like to share it here:
MONSTER IN OUR MIDST
After long hours of consideration and investigation, I have decided that we are living with a monster in our midst. Should I describe this monster? It is large, has green scales, a long tail, a big belly and flared nostrils: a basic Walt Disney dragon–huge and frightening but a little bit comfortably familiar–comfortable enough, obviously, that we tolerate its presence with a minimal amount of complaint.
Who is this dragon, and where did it come from? I call it “The -Way-Things-Are-Supposed-To-Be,” and I think that we’ve collectively given birth to it over many years. As a teenager, I was fiercely determined not to be like all those other girls who were snagging boyfriends, fully determined to marry them either shortly before or shortly after graduating from high school. Even so on the eve of my twenty-third birthday I sat with my sympathetic roommates, wondering what had gone wrong–I was supposed-to-be married. Then there was my friend, the new Relief Society President. Once quite vocal about the importance of molding programs to meet individual needs, she now extolled the virtues of the home-making meetings she had previously refused to attend because they didn’t meet her needs, since that was what she was now supposed-to-do. Or there was the ward I once lived in where everyone very, very impressively fulfilled charitable duties well into the second mile, but none of the women were close friends. By their own admission they were afraid to let people find out what they were really like–the inside just might ot match the supposed-to-be.
For years, I wasn’t absolutely sure of the dragon’s existence. I only caught glimpses of its shadow and sometimes felt its fiery breath upon my neck. But one day, during a particularly trying period at school, feeling that awful presence strongly, I turned around very quickly and caught the dragon full face. Rather than relieving me at all, I was terrorized by my discovery. I became fully aware that something other than my own consciousness and feeling was governing my life. I became aware that I was essentially living two lives–the real me and the supposed-to-be me.
I felt for awhile that I was very alone, but as the problem of my dragon-terrorized life came to obsess me, I began to notice some interesting things. Other women also bore testimonies made up of a combination of stock phrases from the Church vocabulary. I heard others answer
questions with the expected answers that didn’t quite ring true as having been cycled through their own hearts ad minds. I began to suspect that other people were being intimidated by the dragon, too. A few exploratory ventures on my part into te world of saying-what-I thought tended to confirm my suspicions–a few people would want to talk privately to me about what I said, while others were appalled to the point of speechlessness that anyone would say such things in public.
I immediately began looking around for some chauvinist or institution to blame, but could find no tangible culprit of widespread-enough influence to be responsible for the whole mess. I was not ready, however, to take full responsibility for creating this thing which was taking over my life. I still don’t think that it is possible to assign responsibility to any one individual. The dragon was hatched and growing large long before many of us were born. But it is still growing–it grows every time I let the dragon decide what I’m going to say or how I’ll act. It grows every time one woman encourages another, however subtly, to react the ways she’s supposed to rather than the way she really feels.
When I described the dragon above, I referred to his Walt Disneyish appearance. I did that for a definite reason–that being that its comfortableness is part of the reason it hasn’t long sine been banished from our midst. It is frightening to live without a structure to support us, and the dragon has provided the most readily available, if far from the most positive, support for many of us. It is also terrifying to hear someone truly express the depths of personal agonies and angers, and the dragon has successfully squelched in many, the impulse to express these feelings.
The blame cannot, then, be placed on any one person or even any one source. I am not responsible entirely for the dragon’s existence in my life, and neither is any other person entirely responsible for its existence in his or her life. I am responsible, though, for the nourishment I provide it ad for the acquiescence that I give to its existence. Every time I gush about the spirituality derived from a meeting that I traditionally daydream through or refer to my ‘good husband’ in phrases that we hear over and over, I make it a little bit hardr for someone to see around the dragon to the person–the soul– on the other side whom he would really like to communicate with.
I’m not sure that we can completely kill the dragon–I really don’t know. I’m not sure that enough of us want to yet. For me, the first step was realizing that it existed. From there it was easy to move to a conviction that its existence was not good for me. But to this day I’m awed by the power and influence of the dragon and its ability to pull me again and again into its clutches.
I have learned, though, that inasmuch as I differentiate carefully between my feelings and those of the dragon, it is easier for me to consciously choose to act as I wish, rather than to react to the dragon’s ominous rumblings. I don’t know if it is entirely possible to eliminate the dragon, but I’m up for stopping the inadvertent feeding of this beast ad for working towards relationships which are unfettered by this monster in our midst. Cynthia Thorley Anderson , Utah
March 18, 2011 at 5:07 am #240762Anonymous
Guestdelete please March 18, 2011 at 2:26 pm #240763Anonymous
GuestHi BeLIkeChrist, Since I am no longer active in the church, I did ask my self your question: “Another conclusion I came to was that as a Mormon I felt I had lost my identity. Who was I without the church?” The church was such a huge part of me. I had alot invested in the church with callings, and going on a mission. I grew alot from my callings and opportunites to serve. I believe in alot of the teachings though I cannot say “I know”. My faith is based on ‘hope’. Without the church I am still a child of God and very loved. Without the church I still have my faith in Christ and try to follow His teachings. The spirit told me once, “Zion is within”. That made me realize that Zion is not a place or the church, but in your own personal relationship with God. What God thinks about me is the only thing that can really give me peace. I still feel His guidance outside of the church and see His guidance abundantly in the other churches I am now involved in. Having the Spirit with you is the most important thing.
March 19, 2011 at 4:54 pm #240764Anonymous
Guestthanks for sharing Bridget. May 27, 2011 at 10:18 am #240765Anonymous
Guestdelete please May 27, 2011 at 3:19 pm #240766Anonymous
GuestWhen I read your post, I feel that you and I have much in common. For one, be both had spiritual witnesses. Some of the people who are in a faith crisis don’t have these witnesses; in fact, some indicate that seeking for the witness and not getting it is the cause of their trial of faith. But for you (I presume, from reading your comments above) and myself, there IS a spiritual witness at the root of our connection to the Church. However, like you, i have this feeling of wanting to break-away because the behavior I’ve seen doesn’t seem remotely consistent with what the Church is supposed to be about. And further, IT HURTS and I feel a lack of respect for the Church and what it claims to offer. You didn’t say it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if you were hurt by the whole gossip incident. If that’s the case, then I’m with you. I know the hurt as I’ve had similar experiences (nasty notes circulated about me, lies told to priesthood leaders and then receiving a reprimand).
For me, the hurt is nearly debilitating from a spiritual standpoint, and like you, it hurt my my desire to go to Church after my own hurtful experience there. The experience, and the emotional turmoil it caused made a structural change to my belief system – on one hand, believing there is truth to the Church and the gospel becaue of the Holy Ghost, but on the other hand, feeling stifled by it and wanting to feel a sense of individualism. For me, I also felt a desire to modify its whole meaning in my life. AT times I’m even disappointed I have a witness because it means I’m going to have to do certain things that I find intensely frustrating and off-putting.
Whether this is your experience or not, I think we are both in a situation where we have felt a spiritual witness, but are having difficulty aligning ourselves fully with the “party line”. If you agree with this assessment, how do you think God will view people like you and myself? (Assuming you believe we are roughly in the same camp).
Like you, I’ve decided what I believe about the Church and the place it has in my life, but often, I feel like I’m being a half-miler; someone who is lukewarm and under condemnation.
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