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March 30, 2011 at 2:08 pm #205843
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GuestAlright, so I’m quite new here, but not in the church. Marriage is desired for everyone in church, but it can be nervewrecking for those who aren’t yet. I’m 26, unmarried and quite happy about it. It doesn’t mean that I don’t want to get married, but for now I am not.
Before my mission I was dating and as it grew more serious, people started looking for the ring on my finger. Well, it only happend twice. I was engaged to a mormon guy who abused me in every way you can imagine. Only my former bishop knew this and helped me through after the break up.
The other engagement was to a non-member guy. It was kind of a fling that one. My stakepresident was furious when he learned I was dating a non-member and wanted to go on a mission. I broke up with him, went on a mission.
Even during my mission I had people who were trying to hook me up to single guys often 10 or 20 years older than me!
Right now I’ve been back for 2 months. So far nobody has even asked me on a date. I don’t really care about that. I still don’t feel too comfortable around guys my age.
This is what puts me off so bad. Every week there is at least one person who comments about my singleness. It is treated like a disease in church and it hurts. Even my dad, who really doesn’t want me to go away again, is asking me when I’m planning to get married.
My bishop was very sensitive to me and said in an interview: “Well, I don’t know what your PB says and what your desires are for the future, but make sure you make the right decisions and if you want to talk about it with me, feel free to come.”
I was so grateful for that!
I am the only one of my age in my ward not married and it feels really lonely. I get really ticked off by people who are insensitive and comment about marriage to me. This summer we’re going to have 4 lessons on eternal families etc. And I really do not want to be in church then. Anyone any ideas on what to do?
March 30, 2011 at 3:53 pm #241774Anonymous
GuestRMsister wrote:…Right now I’ve been back for 2 months. So far nobody has even asked me on a date…This is what puts me off so bad.
Every week there is at least one person who comments about my singleness. It is treated like a disease in church and it hurts.Even my dad, who really doesn’t want me to go away again, is asking me when I’m planning to get married…I am the only one of my age in my ward not married and it feels really lonely. I get really ticked off by people who are insensitive and comment about marriage to me. This summer we’re going to have 4 lessons on eternal families etc. And I really do not want to be in church then. Anyone any ideas on what to do? Personally, I’m glad I didn’t get married until after I graduated from college and that I didn’t get married in the temple and to be honest I think that if I would have rushed into a temple marriage immediately after my mission it would have just stressed me out and made everything more difficult. I think the Church wants people to get married as soon as possible mostly because it is typically good for the Church not because it is always in the best interest of the health and well-being of individual members.
This single adult phase is a difficult transition the way the Church is currently structured with so many heavy demands and strict rules and this is a time when a significant percentage of members end up “falling away” from the Church. So Church leaders probably think that as soon as members are married to another active member the chances are much higher that they will remain active in the Church which looks like the primary thing they care about. I would ignore the pressure and not worry so much about what they think and wait until you feel good about marrying someone because you’re the one that will have to live with whatever situation it puts you in, not all these Church members that think it is so easy and obvious to just get married and have faith that everything will magically work out.
March 30, 2011 at 4:10 pm #241775Anonymous
GuestYeah, I waited awhile after the mission to get married as well. It’s it nerve racking, probably more so for females, and our culture is so goofy about it that it just makes it miserable sometimes.
One thing I wish we would do as a culture and church, is quit preaching so heavily on the whole temple marriage thing. It doesn’t make sense to me. There are probably just as many miserable temple marriages as civil marriages. Why would those people want to “be together forever” anyway? Perhaps, IMO, we should just look to find someone who we love and can build a life together with, regardless of the whole membership and/or temple deal. I guess what I am saying, is I would rather my kid marry a good Catholic, or a good Jew, or a good atheist, in a civil marriage, than to marry the wrong person in the mormon temple who is going be miserable, and make others around him miserable.
March 30, 2011 at 4:22 pm #241776Anonymous
GuestSounds like you have a great Bishop!! Be grateful for that support, for sure! In my opinion, we often talk on this site about having boundaries with others, and not letting others (or the church) control our happiness. This is the same for someone like you that has the issue where people think they need to get involved in your dating life, just as much as someone else has to deal with over-zealous home teachers that think they need to pressure a family to going to church or reading the Book of Mormon.
Others often mean well…they just are sometimes oblivious to how intruding they are, and don’t realize it is not helping.
…Until you tell them. I think you may need to establish yourself as a competent, strong woman who is just fine with your place in life and don’t need to be married to be fulfilled. I’m not saying you shouldn’t want to be married…only that others should respect you and appreciate you whether you are married or not. And when the right time and man comes along…it will be a beautiful thing. Until then, there is no problem being you, just the way you are.
Perhaps there are some reminders you can give others who ask you…”So when are you going to get married?” and you can think ahead of time what to say…
Quote:“I’m not sure. But its a big decision I look forward to making someday when the time is right. In the mean time, I’m just trying to exercise charity and make myself the kind of person my future husband will be attracted to.”
or…
Quote:“It sometimes takes charity to still love people who keep asking me about when I will get married…as if its something I am avoiding or something. I’ll let you know when I’m getting close, until then, it makes me feel a bit less-valued to have people keep asking me, as if I’m not good enough as I am.”
Sometimes we need to set that boundary (don’t keep asking me about it), and let others know, so they can respect it, in as loving and tactful way as possible, until they don’t get it and we have to be more direct.I also find some humor helps, if you can think of a good witty response that sends the message, but makes them laugh so its not so awkward of a discussion. Sometimes I do that just to keep myself sane…but have to pick the right people who know me. What would others do if the discussion went:
Quote:So, now that you’re home from your mission, when are you getting married?
Quote:Actually, I’m going to go straight for having a baby first…then I’ll see if I can deal with babysitting a husband and child at the same time!

(I’m sure there are some better comebacks than that that some funny people on this site can suggest.)
Like I said, most people often have good intentions…they’re just oblivious to how intrusive they are being.
March 30, 2011 at 4:25 pm #241777Anonymous
GuestRMsister wrote:AlI am the only one of my age in my ward not married and it feels really lonely. I get really ticked off by people who are insensitive and comment about marriage to me. This summer we’re going to have 4 lessons on eternal families etc. And I really do not want to be in church then. Anyone any ideas on what to do?
First off, Hi! (waving)
Secondly, take heart! You are definitely not alone. There are a lot of people who don’t fit the LDS ideal at any given moment – divorced members, widows and widowers, never before marrieds, childless couples, part-member families, unhappily married members, etc. It often seems like our particular circumstance makes us the odd duck in our wards but mostly that is just our own perception. There are probably people in your ward right now who could benefit from your friendship and service – people you might not realize are desperately in need and can become great friends to you. Don’t worry about being single – life is too short! Find ways to serve the members in your ward because thinking about others takes your mind off your own troubles. Jump in with both feet and have fun!
And about those thoughtless people who ask personal questions… well, the church is often like a family with all the good and bad that entails. People forget their manners and ignore normal boundaries. When that happens, I let them know in no uncertain terms. When I was newly married, about 6 months, a sister I barely knew asked “When are you going to have children?” She didn’t know but three days earlier I had suffered a devastating late miscarriage. I told her and then said “Don’t you feel stupid now for asking a question that wasn’t any of your business?” I doubt she made that mistake again. It wasn’t very Christlike of me but hey – I was really hurting and she was really insensitive. It happens.
So if someone asks you why you aren’t married yet, smile sweetly, lean toward them, and whisper conspiratorially “Actually, I’m already married. We had to elope because my husband is a CIA agent and is presently undercover investigating a string of etiquette violations by a group of nosy Mormons. You don’t happen to know any ward members who ask questions that aren’t any of their business, do you?”
March 30, 2011 at 4:28 pm #241778Anonymous
Guestmercyngrace wrote:“Actually, I’m already married. We had to elope because my husband is a CIA agent and is presently undercover investigating a string of etiquette violations by a group of nosy Mormons. You don’t happen to know any ward members who ask questions that aren’t any of their business, do you?”
Nice one!! That would be awesome, especially if done where others can hear besides just the person asking.
😆 :clap: I totally agree with you mercyngrace….I say, have fun with it! You’ll find some people lob some nice juicy softballs you can hit outta the park!
March 30, 2011 at 5:22 pm #241779Anonymous
GuestUnfortunately our religion teaches that temple marriage is REQUIRED for salvation. So pushing for marriage is just as important as the rush for baptism in the standard mormon’s eyes. You arent saved until youve found someone, anyone to take to the temple. I really don’t see how a single adult could ever find comfort in the LDS faith. March 30, 2011 at 5:32 pm #241780Anonymous
GuestBrown wrote:Unfortunately our religion teaches that temple marriage is REQUIRED for salvation. So pushing for marriage is just as important as the rush for baptism in the standard mormon’s eyes. You arent saved until youve found someone, anyone to take to the temple. I really don’t see how a single adult could ever find comfort in the LDS faith.
I like the teaching of baptisms, endowments, and sealings for the dead in the temple.
That relieves any panic that it better be done today or there is eternal damnation.
I’m not sure what I think about eternal damnation, or baptism or celestial marriage…but if any strict mormon wants to use the church teachings to make a point about these, they need to be reminded the Lord has provided a way for all of us to find peace in due time.
No need to panic, IMO. I think single adults can find comfort in the LDS faith, as long as boundaries are set and others are reminded of the beauty of the gospel plan (and that they should mind their own bees-wax).
March 30, 2011 at 5:52 pm #241781Anonymous
GuestBrown wrote:Unfortunately our religion teaches that temple marriage is REQUIRED for salvation.
Yep. Temple endowment and marriage is a core tenet in the LDS faith to exaltation and salvation. It’s set up that way so one must go through the priesthood authority to “be saved.”
It’s a false doctrine and teaching, IMO.
Heber is correct, even the church own doctrine doesn’t support it – — seemingly in the church today, we have these two doctrines that contradict each other. The problem we have now, is when you point this out, many members will quote the whole “this life is the time to prepare” and this is the probationary state, so if you have a chance and don’t do it here, you won’t get another. That is just a plain ol’ opinion that has been passed down from the generations to enforce obedience to priesthood authority…and I have one to —- I don’t believe it.
March 30, 2011 at 7:59 pm #241782Anonymous
GuestRMsister wrote:Even my dad, who really doesn’t want me to go away again, is asking me when I’m planning to get married.
This struck me as odd, as a sister how are you to plan a timetable for marriage without being in a serious relationship? How will having a predetermined plan/timetable bring about marriage? Perhaps most importantly, what is the likelihood that you will make a rash decision to accept a wedding proposal just to conform to the plan?
John Bytheway (a kind of Mormon motivational speaker) gave a talk entitled, “What I wish I knew when I was single.” I would encourage you to find this talk. When I was single, I listened to it religiously. He addresses many of these issues. One thing that I would like to present here is that he listed a stratum of happiness:
1st) Happily married
2nd) Happily single
3rd) Unhappily single
4th) Unhappily married
People that are content as single people will have a better chance of being content married people someday, both because they have that natural temperament and because happiness and confidence are attractive traits.
Unhappy single people are not happy but at least they can look forward with hope to a change in their situation.
The unhappily married category is perhaps the hardest place to be. Even if you haven’t yet brought children into the marriage and you separate, there is now the additional stigma of being divorced in addition to the very personal pain you would be going through.
I believe that the choice of whom to marry is perhaps the decision that will most influence the rest of your life. This decision should be made carefully with both your heart and your head (and if you feel so inclined, a measure of prayer). Only
youwill get to live your life. Please don’t let others push you into a life you wouldn’t have otherwise chosen for yourself. March 30, 2011 at 8:31 pm #241783Anonymous
GuestIf you’re a woman, you’ve got to decide whether you want children or not. If so, then you need to be married before 35. After 35, things get complicated, and the menopause can set in, even after that age. If you don’t want children, then this is not a problem. For men, it’s easier in that way, our clock doesn’t tick away. However, being a YSA is a lot more fun than being an Ancient Single Adult like I am now!!!
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Even during my mission I had people who were trying to hook me up to single guys often 10 or 20 years older than me!Don’t be bothered by that. If he’s a good companion, that doesn’t matter. The best marriage I ever saw had a twenty five year age gap!!!
If he’s a bad companion it won’t matter if you have the same birthdate!
March 30, 2011 at 9:24 pm #241784Anonymous
GuestRoy wrote:I believe that the choice of whom to marry is perhaps the decision that will most influence the rest of your life. This decision should be made carefully with both your heart and your head (and if you feel so inclined, a measure of prayer). Please don’t let others push you into a life you wouldn’t have otherwise chosen for yourself.
Thank you. I really needed to hear that. It’s weird, because I think 80% of my ward has served missions and should know how they felt when they came home. The ones who do just leave me be and check up on how I am feeling. The ones who forgot just try to meddle with my life. It’s a pity. But I am grateful for the support that I do get. It’s not that I do not want to get married, as was said before, it’s a desire, but I’m a happy single right now and I’d like to stay that for a while.
It is a very tough decision to get married.
March 30, 2011 at 9:28 pm #241785Anonymous
GuestRMsister wrote:Thank you. I really needed to hear that. It’s weird, because I think 80% of my ward has served missions and should know how they felt when they came home. The ones who do just leave me be and check up on how I am feeling. The ones who forgot just try to meddle with my life. It’s a pity.
Sorry to hear it. Unfortunately, it is the way it goes. Once you get married, then those who have children will start asking when you’re going to have children. They seem to frame reality from their perspective…and just assume what they did everyone should do. Kinda narrow-minded, huh?
March 30, 2011 at 9:35 pm #241786Anonymous
Guestmercyngrace wrote:Jump in with both feet and have fun!
So if someone asks you why you aren’t married yet, smile sweetly, lean toward them, and whisper conspiratorially “Actually, I’m already married. We had to elope because my husband is a CIA agent and is presently undercover investigating a string of etiquette violations by a group of nosy Mormons. You don’t happen to know any ward members who ask questions that aren’t any of their business, do you?”
Totally like that
I once put someone off who asked me for the third time in a row by answering:
Quote:Yes I got married and now I’m filing my papers for divorce
He got the point.
🙄 I do agree that marriage is important, because it’s hard to do everything alone. So many single mothers I know are alright being single but say it would be better to have another parent to support them. The reason I’m not looking forward to the lessons is that people always only consider the married members. Sometimes there is a considerate soul who thinks of the not married anymore members. I’ve had bad experiences in those lessons and went home broken and not uplifted. I think it’s a shame.
March 30, 2011 at 9:37 pm #241787Anonymous
GuestHeber13 wrote:Unfortunately, it is the way it goes. Once you get married, then those who have children will start asking when you’re going to have children. They seem to frame reality from their perspective…and just assume what they did everyone should do. Kinda narrow-minded, huh?
Quite true. Though we have two couples in my ward who only could have children with IVF and a lot of treatment. We have some members that just got sterilised for different reasons, so it seems like there is more consideration.
Though I liked my sisters comment when someone asked her if she was pregnant again (she wasn’t at that time) “No, i’m just fat!”
Never got another question again
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