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okay. please tell me which one is true. because i keep hearing different things and as a fairly recent (less than 2 years) convert to this church, i hear a lot of conflicting crap. okay.
1. polygamy is done and over with, and no, there is no polygamy in the celestial kingdom…if you were sealed more than once you have to pick one.
2. polygamy is done and over with, but if you were sealed to more than one spouse on earth, you will be sealed to both (or 33..whateveR) in heaven.
3. polygamy on earth is done and over with, but in the celestial kingdom, men will have multiple wives as part of their “increase”.
please help me understand this. i thought that number 2 was closest to the true doctrine or what have you, but i know you guys will know what better than me!
thanks in advance!
I think the answer is number 4. 🙂 I’ll let someone smarter than me opinionate on this one. I’m not much of a theologian. I just like to complain a lot about all the gazillion rules we’ve invented in an attempt to define the gospel.
Officially now, both men AND women can be sealed to all of their spouses – so I think the only logical take-away is: Quote:We don’t know, so we’ll seal ’em all and let God work it all out.
However, if you asked most members, I think they would say that polygamy will exist in the Celestial Kingdom – for SOME people, but not for ALL people (and not for most of them). I think that’s what they actually believe.
I personally believe in a Council of the Gods concept that is very different than most members, so my answer is probably more like #7 or so.
What is the Council of Gods approach? And what is its origin? ray your picture reminds me of jims pancakes…have you heard of him? every time i see someone cooking i think of jim and his awesome pancakes. :thumbup: I actually agree with Ray on this one, although maybe we have two different views of this. I think where JS may have been headed was sealing the whole human race together voluntarily and in one big shared knowledge spirituality thing. I think the polygamy that was practiced has zero to do with real doctrine, despite what some aspiring horndogs and/or descendents of polygamists might choose to believe. Brigham Young taught that polygamy was an eternal principle, but of course BY taught a lot of things. I always just assumed that was the church’s official position, but apparently lately (i.e. at least since GBH) that teaching has been discouraged. So the church’s current politically correct position is that ‘we don’t know’. Quote:What is the Council of Gods approach? And what is its origin?
In the little time I have, here’s a very short outline:
1) We have no idea how spirits are created, or exactly how the creation of a physical world occurs.
2) I don’t believe in sexual intercourse and gestation / pregnancy in the next life. Doesn’t make ANY sense to me, at all. Really, really stupid to me, but I understand how people could believe that in a time when that’s the only model that was conceivable. (Like the pun?
3) I look at creation in the next life much more from the standpoint of a bunch of scientists in a lab working together. I have no idea about the creation of spirits, since I don’t understand intelligences enough to hazard a guess.
4) Hence, “the Council of the Gods” theory.
The term and description are mine, although the idea probably isn’t. It’s just what I’ve come to believe at this point in my life.
I have similar beliefs Ray. I call it the “borg” though. But it’s the general idea —- a collective type of spiritual/mental union with, hopefully the spouse and maybe others… I have always, even before my faith crisis, made comments at church like, “God doesn’t wear a white robe. He’s wearing a lab coat.”
I was thinking about my answer when I read a post very close yet better stated than mine would have been. That would be Rays. I am surprised that at least some people here entertain the thought that there may not be a purpose or even the desire for sex in the next life. 😮 I can’t believe I just said that!My version of a council of gods is more like Hawkgirls. I hold up D&C 121:28 as my support scripture. Quote:i hear a lot of conflicting crap.
That’s because there is no official answer. I’ve got real problems with polygamy. Ray has caused me to soften my stand a bit since I wrote about “My Perspective on Polygamy”, but I’m still really uncomfortable with the whole idea. Ray has said that polygamy is voluntary. I guess if a man is married to 2 women in this life, or a woman married to 2 men, and they are all comfortable with a “three-some” marriage, then I won’t object. But I don’t believe polygamy is an essential doctrine. Here is an old post I wrote on my perspective. See
http://www.mormonheretic.org/2009/05/17/my-perspective-on-polygamy/ To me, #2 sounds like the answer the highest percentage of Mormons I know would go with. That is with the understanding that only men would have multiple spouses. From a PR angle I would actually prefer either #1, or the ability for women to be sealed to all their husbands while they live. My personal answer would be much closer to Hawk’s. I think this is the official teaching of the church:
Quote:The Lord’s law of marriage is monogamy unless he commands otherwise to help establish the House of Israel (see Encyclopedia of Mormonism Vol. 3, pp. 1091-1095).
Similar to the law of thou shalt not kill, unless I tell Nephi otherwise in his specific situation.
I have not ever seen any teachings that the eternities adhere to all the same commandments as the earthly commandments. For example, fasting won’t be a problem in the next life, or tithing or Word of Wisdom, I don’t think.
Sealings are a bit different, as they are done in the temples as ordinances instead of commandments, and the faith is kind of founded on the principle of the eternal family. But I really can’t figure out what it means. We’ll be sealed with our spouse and always walk/float around together holding hands? Will our kids always be next to us, and with their spouses, and their inlaws and their families and …
I guess I go with Hawkgrrrl … its more about saving the human race collectively, and I’m not sure what that means about marriage in the afterlife and relationships and being Kings and Queens and making our own worlds. I just get confused thinking of all that speculation
:crazy: I think if you asked 12 different apostles, you’d probably get differing opinions on the matter, because we don’t know. So, I guess that means I can believe what I want … and I don’t believe polygamy will be lived in the eternities. Nope…not gonna believe it.
I don’t have a problem with polygamy, if it’s consensual, and involves adults. I think Western Society is utterly hypocritical on this issue.
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