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    Early on I assumed that when I prayed I was heard and that answers came in different ways. If I didn’t get an answer, which I didn’t, my assumption was that it was my fault, that I didn’t have a enough faith, didn’t humble myself enough or didn’t recognize the answer. Over the years that’s changed and now I don’t pray unless it’s when called upon in public or my turn at home. It just seemed to be a one sided conversation over the same unresolved things. I wonder if prayer is even supposed to be an attempt at communication with God since it can or seems to be so unreliable.

    Anyway, I’m curious if, with the things we’ve all gone or are going through, others feelings about prayer have changed as well and what you see as the purpose and utility of a prayer life.

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    GBSmith wrote:

    Early on I assumed that when I prayed I was heard and that answers came in different ways. If I didn’t get an answer, which I didn’t, my assumption was that it was my fault, that I didn’t have a enough faith, didn’t humble myself enough or didn’t recognize the answer. Over the years that’s changed and now I don’t pray unless it’s when called upon in public or my turn at home. It just seemed to be a one sided conversation over the same unresolved things. I wonder if prayer is even supposed to be an attempt at communication with God since it can or seems to be so unreliable…Anyway, I’m curious if, with the things we’ve all gone or are going through, others feelings about prayer have changed as well and what you see as the purpose and utility of a prayer life.

    For me the main point of prayer is mostly that it makes me feel better sometimes without really costing me anything. What’s the downside if you don’t get your hopes up too much that you deserve some specific answer? I know some prayers have been answered to many people’s satisfaction as far as they’re concerned. Even if the answers are merely coincidences or come from people’s own subconscious mind rather than God sometimes they do look vastly superior to anything I would ever expect people to end up with on their own simply through deliberate thought processes and/or luck without ever praying.

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    Prayer makes people feel better. That’s fairly well attested. Whether it does the other stuff or not is debatable, but sometimes, when you’re backed against the wall, prayer is the only thing to help. I know recovering alcoholics and addicts who swear by it, and say it got them out of their situation.

    Besides, I think praying for the people one hates or who are one’s enemies is a healthy thing, and may lead to reconciliation.

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    I don’t do the whole Mormon praying thing.

    I do “meditate” which I think is a much better way to “commune.”

    Yeah, perhaps it’s a one way dialogue, but it is the best way I know to understand MYSELF and help myself work through the tough questions of life.

    I believe in it.

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    +1 what Cwald said.

    GBSmith wrote:

    If I didn’t get an answer, which I didn’t, my assumption was that it was my fault, that I didn’t have a enough faith, didn’t humble myself enough or didn’t recognize the answer.

    Assumptions are usually what holds us back and creates the blocks. Gotta break those down and let go of them. That is why I loved CWalds’ meditation and introspection comment.

    And when I mean let go of your assumptions … I mean REALLY let go of whatever it takes. It’s scary. I’m not just talking about the particular speech of your prayer. I mean even your assumptions of who God is, who you are, your basis in perceived reality, what you expect is an answer, or the fact that nobody is listening.

    It’s out there man!

    First off: there’s absolutely NOTHING wrong with you. You’re OK just the way you are. You have enough faith. You have enough … everything. You are abundant. You ARE the divine and the transcendent. You didn’t have a problem until someone told you that you had a problem, and might not be able to talk to God. Doubt your doubt.

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    I struggle with formal prayer, but I do really well at having a prayer in my heart pretty much always.

    Prayer, in some form or another, has real power for many, many people – and I honor it in almost whatever form I find it.

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    I’ve always loved Alma 33 for an answer to prayer. When I read it I sense that yes there are formal ways, places, and such for prayer. But more important is that effort to pray. It talks about worshipping and praying in a myriad of places. In houses, out in the field, before thine enemies, in thy closet, etc. As I see it Zenos isn’t talking about kneeling formal prayers as much as those heartfelt, meditation, mental desire prayers.

    For me I find I pray in the car as I drive. Just turn the radio off and begin a dialogue. I pray, discuss, plead in the grocery store. I prayed tonight as I road home from an outdoor movie. I write out my prayers. These are my most penetrating communications and I always love the results. I also pray more formally each day. Is there a point? For me there is. Prayer has been my lifeline in so many instances, even if it is just to feel that I can reach out to the divine and not be rejected.

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    Old-Timer wrote:

    I struggle with formal prayer, but I do really well at having a prayer in my heart pretty much always.

    Prayer, in some form or another, has real power for many, many people – and I honor it in almost whatever form I find it.

    Ray, I remember reading another post on prayer a while back, and in one of your comments you linked us to your personal blog. After reading your post, I read a comment from another reader who discussed the respect component of prayer. Of course, I’m merely paraphrasing, but they mentioned how it’s like the goodmorning/goodnight kiss in French culture (do you know the post I’m referencing?). The reader likened this to how, in that moment of formal prayer, we are devoting our full attention to our father in heaven as a token of respect and love. :thumbup:

    Anyways, that thought has really stuck with me as I’ve struggled personally with praying.

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    I remember that comment – but had forgotten about it, frankly. I was struck by the imagery then, and I appreciate you reminding me of it.

    #244778
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    Prayer has changed some for me too. Like Ray, I feel I have a prayer in my heart frequently. My prayers at night are mostly about gratitude and thanks. I don’t tend to ask for much. I believe in the power of prayer. I think it helps link us to a higher power, even if the higher power is within.

    I think I’ll always want to retain prayer in my bag of beliefs.

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    We’ve been taught to go to God in prayer and sincerely ask for his forgiveness when we have sinned. So how does one do this if they do not formally pray? I’m just curious how the whole repentance aspect fits in here… :problem:

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    CandleLight25 wrote:

    We’ve been taught to go to God in prayer and sincerely ask for his forgiveness when we have sinned. So how does one do this if they do not formally pray? I’m just curious how the whole repentance aspect fits in here… :problem:

    You have to believe that someone or something is there and then that forgiveness is possible before praying. Prayer itself is way down the line in what’s needed when a person starts thinking about repentance.

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    I would go with the meditation thing. I am pretty convinced God does not answer prayers. At least in the sense of what Mormons think about finding car keys and such. If prayers were getting answered I think there would be much less anguish in the world. Most likely if God is there he wants us to just figure it out on our own. I guess if prayer helps you do that then it is good.

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    CandleLight25 wrote:

    We’ve been taught to go to God in prayer and sincerely ask for his forgiveness when we have sinned. So how does one do this if they do not formally pray? I’m just curious how the whole repentance aspect fits in here… :problem:

    My answer: If that is the framework you are working in, then formal prayer is probably recommended in order to work the concept. I am not saying by any means that is a wrong way of thinking about repentance and prayer, or that it is incorrect. I’m just running with the logic of the thought. If X then Y. If you are running this program, then you better do X to find out what happens with Y.

    What some people are expressing is that it didn’t work for them. They prayed, and Y did not happen (don’t feel forgiven or no answer). This isn’t absolute or universal, because it does certainly work for a lot of people. But what if it doesn’t? Keep trying or find another way, I guess.

    I personally am not that concerned with spending a lot of time bothering God with the stupid stuff I do. I figure the Big Kahuna already knows. So I pick myself up. Dust myself off. And jump back into the adventure. I don’t tend to use prayer so much anymore as a tool in my repentance / forgiveness process. I use it to commune with the divine, to expand and experience the transcendent. That’s just me though.

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    Cadence wrote:

    Most likely if God is there he wants us to just figure it out on our own. I guess if prayer helps you do that then it is good.

    In some ways I agree with you Cadence. But in some ways, it isn’t just about figuring it out alone, it is about trying to reach a divine source to humbly recognize I’m open to help and new ideas. I find it interesting when I’m praying for something and then someone else tells me they were “inspired” to tell me something which I needed to hear. I can’t really explain it…it seems it is likely coincidence…but it feels like other people who care about are sometimes angels with the answers I need, when I’m looking for that. Even if it is coincidence, it seems to be a way to connect and bring people closer together, which is a good thing. There is value in that.

    I think the other point in it, is that it can also be a way to unify the group or family around an idea or purpose or support. There is value in that, regardless of whether the words of the prayer are transmitted anywhere out to the Universe or not.

    Brian Johnston wrote:

    What some people are expressing is that it didn’t work for them. They prayed, and Y did not happen (don’t feel forgiven or no answer). This isn’t absolute or universal, because it does certainly work for a lot of people. But what if it doesn’t? Keep trying or find another way, I guess.

    Well said. :thumbup: That’s a good synopsis.

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