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    I have a quote from Dallin H. Oakes from 2002, October Conference regarding Church members fulfilling callings:

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    Still, there is room for improvement in the commitment of some. When I ask stake presidents for suggestions on subjects I should treat at stake conferences, I often hear about members who refuse Church callings or accept callings and fail to fulfill their responsibilities. Some are not committed and faithful. It has always been so. But this is not without consequence.

    The Savior spoke of the contrast between the faithful and the unfaithful in three great parables recorded in the 25th chapter of Matthew. Half of the invited guests were excluded from the wedding feast because they were unprepared when the bridegroom came (see Matt. 25:1–13). The unprofitable servants who failed to employ the talents they were given by the Master were not allowed to enter into the joy of the Lord (see Matt. 25:14–30). And when the Lord came in His glory, He separated the sheep, who had served Him and their fellowmen, from the goats, who had not. Only those who had “done it unto one of the least of these my brethren” (Matt. 25:40) were set on His right hand to inherit the kingdom prepared from the foundation of the world (see Matt. 25:31–46).

    My brothers and sisters, if you are delinquent in commitment, please consider who it is you are refusing or neglecting to serve when you decline a calling or when you accept, promise, and fail to fulfill. I pray that each of us will follow this inspired declaration:

    There’s surely somewhere a lowly place

    In earth’s harvest fields so wide

    Where I may labor through life’s short day

    For Jesus, the Crucified.

    The emphasized words in the quote above are mine for discussion. Elder Oakes seems to imply that there is some kind of eternal damnation if you don’t accept callings, fail to act with commitment, or by extension, ask to be released before the Bishop or SP is ready to release you.

    I also had a SP member who said “Never refuse a calling; if you have concerns, just share those concerns with the person calling you and let him decide”. Basically, saying — give me control over what you do, and don’t retain that right for yourself.

    Just curious what you think about these quotes.

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    The parser in me points out that, if you limit the discussion to EXACTLY what he said and ONLY what he said, he’s talking about a very narrow group of people who “refuse Church callings or accept callings and fail to fulfill their responsibilities”. “Callings” is plural, so I will choose to read it as those who refuse callings (plural) refelxively and have no desire to serve in the actual organization.

    I couldn’t care less about if that is more narrow than he meant it to be. In fact, I’m sure it is. Yes, I’m letting him off of the hook with that reading. However, I’ll take it that narrowly – since I really do think that members shouldn’t refuse all callings REFLEXIVLEY, and I’d MUCH rather someone say no than say yes and just not show up or try.

    #245582
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    SilentDawning wrote:

    Elder Oakes seems to imply that there is some kind of eternal damnation if you don’t accept callings, fail to act with commitment, or by extension, ask to be released before the Bishop or SP is ready to release you.

    While serving a mission to a far away land I had been injured in the groin during a P-day soccer square off with the district. Several weeks later I was still experiencing pain in my testicle when I sat or turned a certain way etc. I wrote an e-mail (in the time when e-mail was not permitted) to my friend’s RN mom and asked what I should do. She suggested that I go to a urologist. After I was sent to the urologist and found out that there was some scaring but nothing serious, I returned to the Mission President to report.

    He rebuked me. 😳 He told me that he had expected as much and that he has a pretty good feel for the health concerns of the Elders serving under him, but my actions had nullified his discernment. I was clearly confused and just happy that I didn’t have testicular cancer so he elaborated further. “What would it look like if after a medical professional recommended you see a doctor about your injury, your Mission President refused to send you?” I still wasn’t sure what was going on but it was clear that contrition was the appropriate response. So I did my duty and got out of his office as soon as I could.

    On the bus ride back to my area I was pondering what had happened, the MP’s response, and his position in general. I came to the conclusion that this man is responsible for over 200 essentially teenage boys in far flung locations and he is tasked with keeping them out of trouble and working 10-12 hour days without compensation. His WMD is the threat of getting sent home, but I assume that this is to only be used in the direst of circumstances. So he is left to inspire and edify or warn and threaten us into compliance. These tactics are only effective if you believe. You must believe that your success/baptism rate has some correlation to your obedience for that kind of promise/warning to be effective for you. You must believe that Satan can cause a wedge in your companionship if you don’t follow the rules with exactness for that warning to be effective against you etc.

    I honor and respect my MP for doing the best he could and for overseeing a “straight” mission (as opposed to a crooked one). After hearing about baseball and soccer baptism scandals, I am glad that nobody in our mission would ever dream of such a scheme.

    I also honor and respect Elder Oakes for doing the best he could to assist various SP’s with a common complaint…. It just so happened that he decided to play the warning card instead of the inspirational/promised blessings card. Given the subject matter I can’t fault him for his choice.

    SilentDawning wrote:

    “Never refuse a calling; if you have concerns, just share those concerns with the person calling you and let him decide”.

    In my very limited experience, when concerns are shared the commitment pattern is employed to answer/override/appease those concerns with the eventual goal of a commitment. This may not be true of all or even most situations but it seems reasonable given the pressure placed upon leadership to fill calling vacancies (and provide a calling for each member) and also the inertia already generated at that point to place you in that calling specifically.

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    SilentDawning wrote:

    I have a quote from Dallin H. Oakes from 2002, October Conference regarding Church members fulfilling callings:

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    Still, there is room for improvement in the commitment of some. When I ask stake presidents for suggestions on subjects I should treat at stake conferences, I often hear about members who refuse Church callings or accept callings and fail to fulfill their responsibilities. Some are not committed and faithful. It has always been so. But this is not without consequence.

    The Savior spoke of the contrast between the faithful and the unfaithful…Half of the invited guests were excluded from the wedding feast because they were unprepared when the bridegroom came (see Matt. 25:1–13). The unprofitable servants who failed to employ the talents they were given by the Master were not allowed to enter into the joy of the Lord…My brothers and sisters, if you are delinquent in commitment, please consider who it is you are refusing or neglecting to serve when you decline a calling or when you accept, promise, and fail to fulfill…

    The emphasized words in the quote above are mine for discussion. Elder Oakes seems to imply that there is some kind of eternal damnation if you don’t accept callings, fail to act with commitment, or by extension, ask to be released before the Bishop or SP is ready to release you…I also had a SP member who said “Never refuse a calling; if you have concerns, just share those concerns with the person calling you and let him decide”. Basically, saying — give me control over what you do, and don’t retain that right for yourself…Just curious what you think about these quotes.

    Personally, I think it was rather presumptuous of Dallin H. Oaks to act as if Church members have this automatic obligation to just do whatever they are told. In reality the main consequences I see of saying no to callings are simply more free time and more enjoyable Sundays overall. It felt like a huge weight had been lifted off my back. As far as any eternal consequences, I guess I just don’t have that much confidence in the supposed connection between the LDS Church and God, Jesus, “the truth”, etc.

    Even when I did believe in the Church’s claims it was still hard to feel very motivated about so many demands at the same time because I felt like no matter how hard I tried it was never good enough and there was always something else I should have done better. This made me discouraged as if I was destined to be condemned anyway so I started to feel like there was no point in even bothering to try anymore.

    As if most people don’t already have enough to worry about now the Church wants to pile on all these additional guilt-trips and unrealistic expectations. The result is that church has become a negative experience overall for far too many members nowadays. Even if many of them continue to put up with this it doesn’t necessarily mean they are truly happy with the situation and all this blatant manipulation certainly doesn’t look like a very ethical way to treat people.

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    In reality the main consequences I see of saying no to callings are simply more free time and more enjoyable Sundays overall. It felt like a huge weight had been lifted off my back.

    Well, when I was in various callings, it was the calling that made Sunday enjoyable. In my first two decades in the Church, learning the handbook, learning how to get results and serving was highly fulfilling for me. So, I can’t say across the board that callings make Sunday boring necessarily….but I do find stories like Roy’s and mine, a bit disconcerting. That a mission president would be disturbed that someone concerned about the symptoms of cancer would want a medical opinion, is a bit over the top. And I see the parallel with certain callings where the priesthood leader interprets your refusal of the calling the same way.

    I had a situation when I was HPGL where a member of my quorum was out serving people so much with moving, setting up chairs, storehouse assignments and such his wife called me and told me she was ready to leave their relationship since he was never home! I met with this brother, and found him unwilling to reduce his service because he believed the blessings were necessary for his inner peace in his life. I suggested that he might balance his wife’s needs with his desire for service, but he refused, also citing her personality. I had to tell his wife that I had met with him, suggested he was doing enough, and that he could tone it down a bit and that would be totally acceptable, but that he indicated he wanted to make up his own mind.

    Kind of a reverse situation, but at least as a priesthood leader I did what I felt was responsive to the needs of his family. But you see the kinds of extremes that people can go to when they want happiness or inner peace enough — they can really hurt other important priorities in their lives.

    Now, do you think the brethren can actually stand up and say that? Or would you find that people would use this advice to duck callings out of sheer laziness? If you were a GA, how would you present “Philosophy of callings and releases 101” to the general membership in a way that engenders commitment, but also respects individual circumstances and free will? [By the way, I think Elder Wirthlin broached this subject a bit in Concern for the One].

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    I guess I just don’t have that much confidence in the supposed connection between the LDS Church and God, Jesus, “the truth”, etc.

    I think this is the crux of the matter. And it has me wondering how the brethren can structure the Church experience to keep faith alive. WE know about scripture and prayer, but we find that with some people, that’s what causes the problems — they don’t find nourishment there all the time.

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    SilentDawning wrote:

    I guess I just don’t have that much confidence in the supposed connection between the LDS Church and God, Jesus, “the truth”, etc.

    I think this is the crux of the matter. And it has me wondering how the brethren can structure the Church experience to keep faith alive. WE know about scripture and prayer, but we find that with some people, that’s what causes the problems — they don’t find nourishment there all the time.

    For me – in stage 3 thinking – I believed there was a connection between my faithfulness, living a fairly charmed life, and God’s love and personal attention towards me. Had I not fallen into circumstances that disrupted this logic somewhat forcefully, I would have been content to continue on as I was. The problem then was unrealistic expectations. I wanted cause and effect with mortal consequences and eternal ramifications – the LDS theology system (as I understood it) provided that correlation.

    I feel the Brethren are making efforts to include inclusive language now and again for those that have moved past stage 3, while being careful not to disillusion the base.

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    I feel the Brethren are making efforts to include inclusive language now and again for those that have moved past stage 3, while being careful not to disillusion the base.

    Expanding on this, I think there are a few things that can be done to not alienate the base that is willing to make huge sacrifices for callings, while stitching the marginal people in better. Here are a few suggestions:

    1. Put a paragraph or two in the CHI about suggested protocols for releasing people so they feel positive about what they did in their calling. Gee, maybe they might feel like doing it again even though their testimony wanes. Some comments on timelines would be nice.

    2. Have private training in Bishop’s Training and for SP’s in the conflicting roles they have as results-getters, and leaders of volunteers.

    3. Always always remember the dual role that members have as a) covenant keepers and b) volunteers.

    4. Be sensitive to the capacity of various families. They often have things going on under the surface you as a leader may not be aware of.

    5. Always be appreciative of the ways that people serve. I think the Parable of the Widow’s Mite applies to a lot more than just tithing.

    6. Rethink the concept of telling everyone every call is inspired. I think we know it isn’t always. I would be a lot more likely to sit up an listen if the “The Lord wants you to do this” card was playhed less often — and only when the Lord truly spoke to the Leader in a definitive way, not simply as the result of the fact the Bishopric opened their meeting with a routine prayer.

    #245587
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    my actions had nullified his discernment

    😯 That’s nuts. Sorry, but his comment about what if your MP refused to let you go see a specialist? Yes, and what if going to see a specialist would have saved your life and he wouldn’t let you go? These are questions for him, not a 19 year old kid. You’re much more charitable toward that guy than I would be, even if I had been a missionary under him.

    I like SD’s list. It’s important to bear that in mind. A friend who was a bishop said that an alarmingly high % of members (between a third and half) turn down callings routinely, making it super difficult to keep a ward running, all classes with teachers, etc. I think we probably tend to think of the “legitimate” reasons (like on SD’s list) why people turn them down, and even Oaks said

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    Some are not committed and faithful. It has always been so. But this is not without consequence.”

    I think that’s true enough that some people will accept and not fulfill a calling (e.g. teachers who don’t show up) for lots of reasons that aren’t good ones:

    1 – some people view certain callings that are necessary to the ward as beneath them personally. They only want something that they think makes them look good to others. (I know that when I was called to nursery, they had already had 3-4 people turn it down, and when I needed more helpers due to the large size of the class, many more turned it down). I know there are people who literally barter for callings they want: “I won’t do that, but if you called me to X, I would do a really great job.”

    2 – some people accept things because they are people pleasers, but don’t take into account what they are getting into and then just don’t act on it. They over-commit (and under-deliver). They say yes to the bishop because then the bishop is happy and grateful, but then they don’t deliver, and nobody really takes them to task for it.

    3 – some callings are frankly really nebulous with little instruction or get bogged down in bureaucracy. For example, you might be called to lead scouts, but then not given resources or budget to do the calling properly, or you might be called to do ward canning or preparedness and not have a clue what it even means or any instructions on what the ward goals are, or you may have a job that precludes you doing it on workdays. So much boils down to ward dynamics. People can feel like failures and not want to “volunteer” in some circumstances. I think the worst outcome is people just do the bare minimum in these circumstances. I think it’s far better to make your own goals and operate independently, despite incurring the wrath of a controlling bishop.

    4 – Some people turn down a calling because they underestimate their abilities or they are just too intimidated by the calling to accept. I think these people are probably a valid audience for Oaks’ comments. People talk themselves out of serving because they are perfectionists. His talk is not well-written to that group of people, and someone should give them the encouragement they need. I think bishops generally try to talk people into things because so many underestimate what they can do. I always talk about what limitations I have (due to personal life, work/travel schedule, etc.), but I accept once they know my circumstances.

    A good statistic I’d love for the church to track is TTF (time to fill callings – which probably indicate ward dynamics and leadership issues) and what % of callings are turned down (which may indicate some of the same or other causes).

    It’s an interesting talk. Oaks is right that some people turn down callings for lack of commitment or don’t fulfill them for the same reason. SOME is the operative word. I don’t know that it’s even the majority. I think the majority turn them down due to pride and the second highest group due to perfectionism.

    #245588
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    At first I liked your TTF metrics and refusal ratio ideas, however I then realized the biproduct of such measurement would be more of what I think we need to avoid in the Church.

    There would be even greater reliance on claims that the Finger of God is pointing to certain members for callings (I’m exaggerating, for effect), even more indifference when people want to be released, and even more attempts at convincing/using the commitment pattern to persuade people to take callings when they initially refuse. This would all be aimed at trying to improve those metrics. I would lead to the kind of egocentrism about what is good FOR THE CHURCH, rather than interpreting these metrics for the good of the individual. Talks by BKP and Oakes about people facing eternal condemnation for refusing or not fulfilling callings would be researched and disseminated, and talks would rain down in Stake and Ward Conferences.

    I think one problem we suffer from is the fact that many of our leaders come from business backgrounds and bring the command-and-control-by-metrics approach to the Church — where it doesn’t work as well. As a Church we seem to want the benefits of a full-time, paid work force, with all the cost savings inherent in a volunteer workforce. And to make mattes worse, often resort to business methods to enforce those results — and it doesn’t work.

    I’m concerned that softer methods would NOT be used, and these are needed. I would rather see a random, anonymous survey done where members of the Ward are asked to report how engaged they feel with the Ward, how needed or appreciated they feel in the Ward, how they feel about leaving their last calling, and their level of enthusiasm for serving in the future, and other metrics that point to the soft causes of commitment to help the Ward leadership administer better.

    Training would focus on helping the Ward and Stake leadership understand the soft ways of improving these metrics. They could let the Oakes-style culture stand if they want, while working on the softer, managerial issues in the background, without consciously pushing the condemnation-for-slothfulness culture which is already self-sustaining, in my view. The two together might be a powerful combination.

    #245589
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    hawkgrrrl wrote:

    I like SD’s list. It’s important to bear that in mind. A friend who was a bishop said that an alarmingly high % of members (between a third and half) turn down callings routinely, making it super difficult to keep a ward running, all classes with teachers, etc. I think we probably tend to think of the “legitimate” reasons (like on SD’s list) why people turn them down, and even Oaks said

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    Some are not committed and faithful. It has always been so. But this is not without consequence.”

    I’m not committed and faithful, and the consequences are that the Church doesn’t get 100% of my time and energy. All I can say is “whatever…. [rolls eyes].” I’m committed to God and Jesus, and I am committed to doing what those diving beings reveal to me through the Holy Ghost. So the corporate Church can STFU, because I am actually doing what they raised me to do. I have no guilt about it. I do what I can. And often enough, my circles intersect with their circles, so we are on the same page. If not … well, we just aren’t. *Shrug*

    Secondly,

    If 33% to 50% of members turn down callings, and that makes it hard for the programs to run that need those callings, perhaps this is an example of the membership voting with their support. That’s what I think it says. Unwanted programs that don’t inspire people to participate, *OR* having so many “good” programs that it burns people out and they stop participating … perhaps those programs need to fail in the marketplace of Mormonism.

    The Church manages things backwards too many times. They invent programs from the central/top hierarchy down, and then find out they don’t have the resources to make it happen, especially as you get farther and farther from the central Mormon cultural corridor where every five blocks is a ward and they have to invent callings to make sure everyone has one.

    That backwards approach, in a volunteer organization, is bad business and should fail. Instead, measure the resources you have first (human resources, member commitment, etc.), and THEN make human resources budgeting decisions — prioritize what you are going to do, and make sure you DO IT GOOD!!!! instead of trying to implement the same cookie-cutter approach everywhere and assuming God will bless it and make everyone fall in line.

    MY SOLUTION:

    Plan less and do it better.

    #245590
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    That backwards approach, in a volunteer organization, is bad business and should fail. Instead, measure the resources you have first (human resources, member commitment, etc.), and THEN make human resources budgeting decisions — prioritize what you are going to do, and make sure you DO IT GOOD!!!! instead of trying to implement the same cookie-cutter approach everywhere and assuming God will bless it and make everyone fall in line.

    MY SOLUTION:

    Plan less and do it better.

    Interestingly enough, that is the exact approach being laid out in the CHI and related training for smaller units in the Church. Iow, the recognition of the basic issue is there at the top of the organization. I agree that it should be the default for all units, but the “default” all to often for leaders (at all levels) is the 300-attending-member ward of much of Utah – since having something for everyone to do is a goal, and that is impossible within the current paradigm in large units without extensive program opportunities.

    My solution is to focus MUCH more on frequent service opportunities (real, true, charitable service) and less on structural “positions”.

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    SilentDawning wrote:

    …do you think the brethren can actually stand up and say that? Or would you find that people would use this advice to duck callings out of sheer laziness? If you were a GA, how would you present “Philosophy of callings and releases 101” to the general membership in a way that engenders commitment, but also respects individual circumstances and free will? [By the way, I think Elder Wirthlin broached this subject a bit in Concern for the One].

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    I guess I just don’t have that much confidence in the supposed connection between the LDS Church and God, Jesus, “the truth”, etc.

    I think this is the crux of the matter. And it has me wondering how the brethren can structure the Church experience to keep faith alive. WE know about scripture and prayer, but we find that with some people, that’s what causes the problems — they don’t find nourishment there all the time.

    I don’t think the Church should require and depend on this level of commitment and unquestioning faith out of its average followers to begin with. There are Catholics that don’t believe half of what their church teaches but they continue to support it anyway simply because it’s a family tradition. Well maybe their grandchildren will get more out of the Catholic Church than they did. Meanwhile the LDS Church gives members the impression that they absolutely need to accept everything the Church says or else they might as well leave. To me Church leaders’ reactions to members not having callings look about the same as the way they typically react to seeing members that disobey the WoW or don’t have a testimony. Basically, it looks like they interpret this as a common first step toward falling away completely from the Church so because of this they want to try to make sure members have the right attitude about accepting callings and “enduring to the end” no matter what.

    If you think about it, callings are one way to get many members to attend meetings when they don’t really feel like it because it exploits their sense of duty and then others expect them to be there. So rather than doing anything to improve the quality of the meetings the Church has relied on short cuts like this to get members to do what they want. What they should do instead in my opinion is step back and honestly consider why so many members were/are dissatisfied with the Church and whether this is really necessary to this extent or not. It looks like Joseph B. Wirthlin started to do this with his “Concern for the One” conference talk but then he ended up falling back into the old idea that members that fall away are all weak and/or wrong in one way or another because it couldn’t possibly be an indication that anything could ever be wrong with the Church. For example, look at the following quote:

    Joseph B. Wirthlin wrote:

    To those who have strayed because of doctrinal concerns, we cannot apologize for the truth. We cannot deny doctrine given to us by the Lord Himself. On this principle we cannot compromise.

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    It looks like Joseph B. Wirthlin started to do this with his “Concern for the One” conference talk but then he ended up falling back into the old idea that members that fall away are all weak and/or wrong in one way or another because it couldn’t possibly be an indication that anything could ever be wrong with the Church.

    My gut reaction to that quote was highly emotional, so I took time to make sure I wasn’t reacting emotionally in my comment below. It took me quite a while to find the right words. I just want to make that clear from the outset.

    I think Elder Wirthlin has done as much to highlight issues in the Church and within its membership as perhaps any other apostle in our history, so, again, I am struck by how differently people can read the same words. I think that whole talk can be read as a recognition that there are things wrong with the Church, especially at the local level, and that the members have to fix those problems. I think he very clearly blames those who stay for much of why people leave – and absolutely lays the charge at their feet to understand why people leave and address those reasons. That same message was rampant in the CHI training last November, including Elder Packer’s statement that local leaders need to recognize that the members are NOT there to staff the Church but the Church exists to serve the members. (I added the “NOT” after Silent Dawning pointed out my mistake in a subsequent comment. OOPS!!! 😳 )

    Taking one part of the talk that is addressed to one particular group and extrapolating that part to claim that “members that fall away are all weak and/or wrong . . .” simply doesn’t fit the entire talk – and I mention it explicitly because I think it reinforces an incorrect stereotype and hinders growth and progress in lots of ways.

    #245593
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    DA, I think that’s quite a few emotionally charged statements. I see where you are coming from…but don’t really think it is fair to the good people in leadership positions in most the wards I’ve been in…and I’ve been in a few I don’t care for.

    Perhaps if I change a few words, I can agree with your statement this way:

    DevilsAdvocate wrote:

    If you think about it, callings are one way to get many members to attend meetings when they don’t really feel like it because it [fulfills] their sense of duty and then others expect them to be there. So [in addition to] doing anything to improve the quality of the meetings the Church has [tried] short cuts like this to [give] members what they want…[a friend, a responsibility, and nourishing by the good word.]

    Was that too apologetic? 😳

    Honestly tho, what does the Church gain by getting members to do what they want? Tithing? Do you really think that is their motive? Don’t you really think their motive is that it is to help the families? Perhaps they are wrong, but what do you honestly think their motives are?

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    Honestly tho, what does the Church gain by getting members to do what they want? Tithing? Do you really think that is their motive? Don’t you really think their motive is that it is to help the families? Perhaps they are wrong, but what do you honestly think their motives are?

    There are good things and bad things.

    1. They get the convenience of calling people to positions at their leisure, without having to act quickly in crisis mode. This is comfortable when they are already stretched with their full-time work, family commitments and Church service.

    2. They get adulation from Stake leaders for hitting their numbers.

    3. They get the Stake and people above them “off their back”, so to speak, because they are getting results the Stake wants. The Stake has ripped on Ward leaders many times in my life in the Church when the felt results were not acceptable.

    4. They get personal satisfaction from knowing they managed something effectively.

    5. When people do what they want, it usually plugs holes that lead to problems, like parents complaining that youth leaders aren’t showing up, for example.

    6. They get to clear off fast-offering deficits, which the Stake doesn’t like very much.

    7. They get free janitorial services.

    8. Depending on what is asked for, members are more involved and sometimes more engaged on Sundays if they have a calling and aren’t yet worn out.

    9. If they are asking the members to live righteously on counts of honesty, chastity, etcetera, this generally improves a person’s overall happiness.

    10. Convincing someone to fill a calling CAN bring widespread benefits to certain groups within the Church, such as the case of youth exposed to good seminary teachers.

    11. In certain cases, being tithing-worthy can lead to temporal benefits like a new building or a temple in the area.

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