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September 23, 2011 at 2:40 pm #206178
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GuestHi. I just read Lyn’s comments about what StayLDS means to her. I can totally relate. This is all pretty new to me and my head won’t stop spinning. I know it would be wise to go slow, but what if you can’t? In my introduction I told you that my husband is a bishop, and i tried to explain a little bit about why that is hard for me. I’m sure I don’t really understand everything that is going on in my brain, but I feel like I’ve given it my best shot for a year and I can’t do it. We have decided to sell our house (even in this market) and move to get out of the Bishop thing. I know how huge this is for my husband. It probably feels like coming home early from a mission or something. I’m sad that I’m not strong enough to stick it out, but since we made the decision the sun has started shining again. My husband has noticed it too. He says I actually smile. I don’t think either one of us has figured out all of the ramifications of what we are doing, but I can’t even begin to think of staying where I am physically and emotionally for the next 4 years!
Am I SELFISH and just taking advantage of how much my husband loves me? I recognize not all spouses would be willing to make this sacrifice. At the same I can’t imagine what I’m going to do if the house won’t sell. I have considered just becoming inactive, but I’m afraid if I do that there will be no coming back. It feels so much better to me (us) to move somewhere and find a way to experience the LDS church that works for both of us. I do think different wards can make a difference. I live in Utah in a crazy suburb of Salt Lake. Last week I attended a ward downtown and I could tell just from looking at the program that things were different. The program didn’t say anything about who was presiding (smart to avoid this conflict attracting word) and every female on the program used two last names. I might be able to make it work there.
Advice?
TSW
September 23, 2011 at 2:51 pm #246279Anonymous
GuestTSW wrote:Advice?
TSW
I guess you have to decide what matters and what doesn’t and what God cares about any of it and the only thing you really have to try to be is a decent person who tries her best to love her neighbor. Good luck.
September 23, 2011 at 2:59 pm #246280Anonymous
GuestI was in a similar position, but less drastic. I was HPGL and had just had enough of it. Three years of working full-time, part-time, going to school, and being a HPGL was takign its toll on me emotionally. I asked to be released. I haven’t had the same level of commitment since, but I’m happier now than I was at that time. I think you are doing the right thing in moving. I think your Bishop husband is doing the right thing in getting you both out of the situation. I think God is utilitarian, and it sounds like the greatest good will be done for the greatest number in your family if you move on to a different Ward. You are happier, your husband has noticed it. You are preserving your enduring activity. I say go for it and be happier — its the object and design of our existence, and sometimes, the Church places a wedge between ourselves and that happiness. It is NOT the source of all happiness as so many egocentric Church members would have you believe – in fact it can make a person feel downright miserable and needs to be sidelined/quarantined and boundaries set.
My only caveat/advice here is to expect some fall-out from people about your decision to move. You’ll have to be careful to provide many well-crafted reasons that have integrity, but which mask your real reasons for moving. People are highly judgmental, and I’m sure the leaders above your hubby won’t take kindly to this decision — if they are the like the Stake leaders I’ve had to interface with in the past. Expect some fall-out, which may or may not happen, and take comfort in knowing you are doign what is best for you.
As an organization, the Church can have blinders on, focusing only on itself and its own needs, sadly. Your feminist ideas probably won’t wash very well with the leadership either, so you can’t be honest about it with them and they won’t understand. So, moving is a great idea. At least you will be able to get into another house cheap, into a Ward that may well be different.
However, it might not be when you get there…it will be what you make it, but at least it will be easier without having the Bishopric position hanging over your head.
I wouldnt’ feel bad about this at all.
September 23, 2011 at 3:00 pm #246281Anonymous
GuestIs it really that bad? I am not asking that in a passive way of trying to tell you what to do. I mean it only as an introspective question as a stranger looking in with limited information.
Selling your house and moving seems like a pretty extreme solution, especially in the current economy. You will probably loose a lot of money. You will uproot your kids — all the drama of adjusting to new schools, have to make all new friends, etc. You will have to pack up and transport all your belongings (that thought of that alone to me is exhausting, having done it too many times in my life). I could go on an on.
Wouldn’t it be easier to change your way of thinking, or perhaps even just ask your husband to request a release? I am not talking about going all literal and true-believing again. Simply caring a lot less about it all might also be a solution. Life seems pretty chill for me as a “nobody” in the Church (on an official level).
You can physically move, I suppose, to escape an awkward social situation. You can’t run away from the “demons” inside you though. They know where you live. That’s why I think it’s more prudent to change than to move — change to whatever you need to become (what God is prompting you to become?).
September 23, 2011 at 3:09 pm #246282Anonymous
GuestThe way I see it, that kind of attitude-changing Brian is proposing takes a lot of time and effort. It may come naturally to some people, but not to others. There will be a huge loss of status to her husband in the Ward and the Stake if he asks to be released. If you have been a traditional believer in the Church, you care about these things. They attach themselves to the whole experience. In terms of financial loss, I don’t see it as a loss really. Whether realized or not, any losses on the home already exist. You lose on your existing home but then buy in to another home at bargain prices, which may well go up over time. It’s a wash as the loss has already occurred on paper provided you don’t overpay on your next purchase.
The impact on the kids, if any is something to consider, but so is the impact of a mother who in spite of trying her best, is struggling to stay active. Happy parents have a huge impact — often leading to happier kids.
If the family is in agreement, I would go with the move and be out of this situation. The Church will not step up and magically do what is best for TSW. It will do what’s best for the organization. If one wants what’s best for oneself, one must be proactive and take charge.
September 23, 2011 at 7:32 pm #246283Anonymous
GuestThanks for your input. it really is that bad,and I’ve had $1000’s of therapy to try to help me change myself or at least my attitude. My kids are grown so there will be some ?’s from them, but no real impact. My husband isn’t willing to stay if he asks to be released. He doesn’t want to deal with the questions. I told him to blame me,because that is the truth, but he’s not comfortable with that. We realize we will have to be really careful what we say and keep it short. We havent totally figured it out yet.we didn’t pay top $ for our house so we think we can sell for at least what we paid. I do keep asking myself if it is that bad, but I cry almost everyday, I’ve lost 20 lbs., And like I said the sun just came out again after 12 months. I realize it’s not rational, but if it’s my reality how long should I suffer? I really think the only way I could stay is lots and lots of Prozac.
Do you ever think sometimes your are just too traumatized to be able to work on improving yourself. I feel like if I get away from the situation I might have a chance. It’s possible it’s all in my mind, but it is my mind.
TSW
September 23, 2011 at 8:06 pm #246284Anonymous
GuestTSW wrote:Thanks for your input. it really is that bad,and I’ve had $1000’s of therapy to try to help me change myself or at least my attitude. My kids are grown so there will be some ?’s from them, but no real impact. My husband isn’t willing to stay if he asks to be released. He doesn’t want to deal with the questions. I told him to blame me,because that is the truth, but he’s not comfortable with that. We realize we will have to be really careful what we say and keep it short. We havent totally figured it out yet.we didn’t pay top $ for our house so we think we can sell for at least what we paid.
I do keep asking myself if it is that bad, but I cry almost everyday, I’ve lost 20 lbs., And like I said the sun just came out again after 12 months. I realize it’s not rational, but if it’s my reality how long should I suffer? I really think the only way I could stay is lots and lots of Prozac.
Do you ever think sometimes your are just too traumatized to be able to work on improving yourself. I feel like if I get away from the situation I might have a chance. It’s possible it’s all in my mind, but it is my mind.
TSW
Sounds pretty bad. Nothing wrong with being a quitter, by the way. Sometimes there are things in our life that need to go, and there’s no shame in admitting that and taking appropriate action. I’m just really glad to hear that your husband is willing to do whatever needs to be done. That has to be a really big part of the smile on your face.
Rough housing markets can work both ways, so hopefully you’ll be okay there.
September 23, 2011 at 8:51 pm #246285Anonymous
GuestYes, you are a quitter! Join the club. I don’t mean this in the perpetual slacker never amount to anything club, but the “I have to stop attending ward choir practice because we only have one car and the kids are hungry and need to eat and stop running up and down the halls for my wife’s sanity” club. From the biblical perspective, if you have ever had impure thoughts about someone not your spouse that makes you an adulterer (I know that example is freakishly extreme). My point is to worry less about the labels and worry less about the guilt. DW sometimes tells me that she is reluctant to do X even though that is the Christ-like thing to do (X usually involves some form of personal sacrifice). I tell her that she is not Christ. If Christ-like means selfless, then there are definitely times when we need to consider our personal energy tank and put ourselves first. If you had been born as the incarnation of the God of the Old Testament, different rules might apply to you. There is no shame or guilt in “sharpening the saw” or “putting on your own oxygen mask first” or “recognizing your limitations” and otherwise using our personal discretion.
TSW wrote:I do keep asking myself if it is that bad, but I cry almost everyday, I’ve lost 20 lbs., And like I said the sun just came out again after 12 months. I realize it’s not rational, but if it’s my reality how long should I suffer? I really think the only way I could stay is lots and lots of Prozac.
It sounds to me like this may be one of
those timesand I am very, very glad that you have a husband that supports you in this! :thumbup: September 23, 2011 at 11:39 pm #246287Anonymous
GuestRunning away to live and fight another day is not bad, in and of itself. I have no answers for you personally, since it is your situation and you must make the choice ultimately. However, there is real power and freedom in realizing it really is your choice – and it can be a good and correct choice.
I hope you have inspiration and/or peace in whatever you decide to do.
September 24, 2011 at 1:55 am #246286Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:However, there is real power and freedom in realizing it really is your choice – and it can be a good and correct choice.
YES!!!! You DO have a choice. And ultimately, it’s YOUR choice with your family’s thoughts and feelings considered.
One thing, you might want to plan for the SP taking his sweet time to effect the release. So, that means building in some mechanism that gives you control for how long you live in that Ward after your house sells. The other possiblity — they might ask him to stay in the position until they find a replacement — even if he is in a different ward (not sure if this is possible, but it’s consistent with the idea they migth do what is easiest for them). You might consider telling them immediately you are moving soon after your house sells so they can get started.
The other thing, when I first asked for a release a year into my last calling, they actually met with me and tried to convince me not to. They were OK about it, but were a BIT forceful in trying to make me stay, as well as really probing my reasons, almost as if they were testing them. The eventually convinced me to stay in the calling. Two years later, burnt out and suffering, when I asked for a release, it took them four months to release me. There was no communication about why the delay — in fact, they gave me the handshake at two months, and then left me there for another solid two months wondering when the release, that was suppoed to happen two months ago, would happen.
I share this only as experience. Who knows about the calibre of the people in your Stake, but these are some of the eventualities that happen if your stake leaders are more business people than caring individuals.
There are times when I think the best move is to buy the house in the other Ward, move into it, and then tell the Stake. Rent out your existing house or sell it while owning the other, if this is financially possible for you. At this point, you’ve made a financial commitment and can’t back out.
You know your situation best, however, and these are only ideas. I’d hate to recommend anything that causes financial hardship.
September 24, 2011 at 3:49 pm #246288Anonymous
GuestI agree with Brian that this is a little extreme – to move. But it’s your choice. I just googled, “Tips on how to get released from an LDS calling.” Not much came up.
:problem: I recently watched the film, “17 Miracles.” It kindof ticked me off how people were pressured into doing what they didn’t want to do, & threatened if they didn’t then they were apostosizing. I could see how we came to have such a taboo with the word, “No” in church.
It sounds like you’ve already made up your mind & if you feel good about it, then go for it.
Yet, I do think there are always more possibilities… In this case, you have to play their game, though.
The game is who can intimidate or shame the other more… So, you could make an excuse how you need to start attending another ward for an elderly parent or grandparent… Or you could explain how your or your husband needs to watch his stress level. This might be stretching the truth a little, but who doesn’t do that in the church?
I hope the best for you & your husband! You are blessed with such a supportive guy!
September 26, 2011 at 2:10 pm #246289Anonymous
GuestTSW wrote:Do you ever think sometimes your are just too traumatized to be able to work on improving yourself. I feel like if I get away from the situation I might have a chance. It’s possible it’s all in my mind, but it is my mind.
TSW
Yes. I do agree with this. Sometimes you have to step away from intense situations in order to get your head straight. I still think moving is an extreme solution. But if the you are facing an extreme problem … an extreme solution might be the right one. I felt like I had to at least challenge you on the idea since you were asking for opinions.
Do what is right for
youthough. Do what you need to do. Make the best choices you can and then roll with it. Use the momentum to make needed changes. September 26, 2011 at 5:20 pm #246290Anonymous
GuestAs a person who has been through Situational Depression, you are not quitting, you are doing what you need to do to save yourself. And it sounds as if you husbands calling is causing your issues. This type of thing happens, once out of the situation things will most likely improve from that stand point. However, reading some of your other posts, I think there might be deeper issues (most of which I can totally relate to) that you might need to find a way to wrap your head around (the patriarchal set up of the church, ect). I had a hard time with the General RS meeting this weekend, loved the talks, but hated the way the women use that fake sing song lollypops and rainbows voices….it’s hard on us warrior women who would rather stand shoulder to shoulder with our own swords drawn…we aren’t the cheerleading type that most LDS women are. 
I know I am Arwen here, but in reality I am so totally more like Eowyn….
:shh: September 26, 2011 at 6:24 pm #246291Anonymous
GuestArwen wrote:… hated the way the women use that fake sing song lollypops and rainbows voices….it’s hard on us warrior women who would rather stand shoulder to shoulder with our own swords drawn…
Ack! Believe me, it’s hard on some of the rest of us, too.
September 29, 2011 at 5:29 pm #246292Anonymous
GuestWow, that is a big step. My bishop husband talks about doing that himself. I hope you find a ward that you enjoy. It might be a good idea to find a ward first then look for a home in those boundaries. Sounds like you are perhaps already doing that. -
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