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    In some ways, this topic is just a continuation of my journey concerning the discussion in my last thread,

    which can be found here: http://www.staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2975&start=50” class=”bbcode_url”>http://www.staylds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2975&start=50

    I started a new topic here for two reasons:

    1. I felt like the other thread is getting too long.

    2. This thread will me more focused on a specific topic.

    Today I came home to find the book “In Quiet Desperation” along with a typed letter, resting on my bed. Right now, I’d like to focus on some contents of the letter. It’s a personal letter written by my mother, but I want to share some excerpts from it for discussion. If you don’t know what the book is about, you can read about it in the previous thread that’s linked above. This post might may make more since if you know the background, but most of you already do.

    The letter covers a lot of things, mainly expressing the love and concern my parents have for me. My mother goes on to explain that, like myself, she too is better expressing herself clearly through writing. She opens up by expressing what is hurting her the most right now:

    “You have to have a measure of faith. The thing that is hurting me the most right now is that you will turn to almost any other source for information and conformation but you won’t turn to us. Do you really think the people you trust as friends and the places you search for information really care about you and will continue to be there for you, forever? Your family will always be here, you can count on and trust us. I would hope that you would trust us more than anyone else but we seem to be in a distant second of third to those others”

    I can understand how the would feel this way, because it is definitely true. It is very difficult for me to have an open conversation with them because they are so orthodox and biased in their views. I’m not really sure how to fix that one for now.

    She then explains how from the time I was born, she felt like there was something different about me, and that I was given a special gift from God (although, I feel like every parent see’s their own children in this golden light). This potential she sees is the reason why she feels like I have been given these difficult trials to overcome in my life. She speaks about how I’m now at a crossroad that will determine the rest of my life, for better or for worse.

    “I raised you in the church and have given you an eternal family and the foundation of the gospel in your life so that you too can have eternal life. Now it is up to you, to do what you need to do so that you can always have the guidance of the spirit with you and have the knowledge of the truthfulness of the gospel.”

    This excerpt is a little haunting for me, and there are many things that I don’t exactly agree with here.

    Later on, she references 1 Cor. 2:9-13 and how it explains that things are revealed to us through the spirit and that our eyes cannot see and our ears cannot hear them, as well as a quote from Elder Bednar on the subject. This is followed by a quote from Elder Neil L. Anderson explaining how amazing the Savior’s encircling arms and mercy are for the repentant no matter the sin. “Except for the sins of those few who choose perdition after having known a fullness, these is no sin that cannot be forgivin.” :problem:

    This is the main point of this thread. My Mother follows this up by expressing her fear that if I continue down this road, and if I end up distantcing myself from “The Church,” then I too may become a son of perdition. “[Candlelight] please don’t turn away from us of from the church. You have been given the fullness of the gospel and have been able to enjoy the blessings of the gospel. To turn away would put you in an area that could lead you to be a son of perdition.” :|

    I’m not even really sure how I should handle this letter. It’s clear that my parents are hurt and confused and are just doing their best to reach out and help me. It’s just frustrating because we don’t see eye to eye. I firmly believe that I will not be a son of perdition, no matter what happens down the road. The Church is very good at using fear tactics to keep members in line… and I feel like this is one of those things. From what I’ve ever been taught, it seems pretty difficult to become a son of perdition.

    So, what are your thoughts? Am I on the road to perdition? And how does one exactly qualify for perdition? Thanks for your input!

    #250442
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    Thank her seriously and sincerely for her love and concern, and let her know how much you appreciate everything she has done for and given you. Tell her you will be grateful eternally for that and will never turn away from what you believe to be true.

    Leave it at that, without further explanation.

    Also, make sure to talk with her and others “in real life” and not spend so much time online that you distance yourself from her and others in a damaging way. It’s a fine line – a difficult balance, but it’s important to try.

    On a theological note, I believe “sons of perdition” are those who deny God having seen Him and actually fight against Him – and that the designation has nothing whatsoever to do specifically with Mormonism or Mormon doctrine. I believe a Buddhist can be a Son of Perdition, as well as anyone else who “knows” anything else. In your case, you can’t be a Son of Perdition in a confused state where you are trying to figure out what you believe – even if that is because you no longer know what you used to know. I see no evidence at all that you are denying God having experienced Him so clearly that it’s like looking Him in the eye and swinging your fists.

    #250443
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    CandleLight25, thank you for the new posting. You obviously have a very concerned & loving family.

    It sounds like your Mother is starting to panic. Hense the trip down “the Road to Perdition”. The world,

    as she knew it, is changing in a big way. Your Father is probably silent.

    Since I don’t know your parents, this is my guess;

    In her mind, you are still the vulnerable boy she raised for the past 19+ years. She wants to protect you.

    Sometimes parents try to protect their children by scaring them. Her imagination is probably racing to the

    various extremes that she thinks your life may become. She has no point of reference of how to handle this

    situation. There is no General Conference talk, no SM talk, no SS or RS talk that fits this situation.

    She then goes to the scriptures & found references to the “SofP”. The ultimate extreme.

    Most important, there is no one she can talk to about this.

    I reread your Introducion. You are obviously a very thoughtful & deliberate person.

    Continue to be open & talk to your family. Give them assurances on a regular basis that you haven’t

    changed from the person they have always known. When your Mother says: “The thing that is hurting me the

    most right now is that you will turn to almost any other source for information and conformation but you won’t turn to us.”

    Even though you are talking with people outside your family on the web, it doesn’t mean that you accept everything we

    say. Be assured, you are not on the road to perdition. You seem to be a young adult trying to discover who you really are & who

    you will become. Trust in your God & yourself.

    Mike from Milton.

    #250444
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    Candlelight25 I want you to know that you are exactly what your mother said about knowing from the beginning you were going to be a very important person to them in this world and imho she truely felt this beyond any other sibling (assuming you have some) because what you are about to embark on is going to teach your family through this process, if carried out with the spirit, to be closer to Christ than they ever have been or could be in the future otherwise. It is a very abstract thought, but for the very orthodox whom are wonderful in the areas of pray, pay, and obay ( often linear left brain thinkers) in my experience it is within these strengths they lack an even more fundamental component than any of the aforementioned to enter the kingdom of god.- True Charity and Love for fellow man no matter their misgivings or precieved earthly imperfections of that individual. Here is the abstract part… They think they are going to be the spiritual highground for youv through this….and in some regards they will be your lighthouse if or when you feel some rebellion from your creater during this process. Nevertheless, what i have come to see time and time again in these situations is that this trial has come to you because are called of God in this mortal state to soften their hearts in the ways i mentioned above which will be crusial to their salvation. If you go through this always keeping in mind that you have a devine mission and are a tool for the Lord now more than ever you will beable to soften hearts and change peoples lives- eternal lives In many respects by breaking their narrow schemas of Christianity and showing them you are walking with the lord no matter how they precieve this. There is a prominent BYU professor (up until just recently ago departed) that was openly gay in his description of himself but was/is of course celibate…. He has some incredible thoughts, several npr interviews and writings and even an independent movie comming up about his trial and growth through his journey. His light could be beneficial for you to review to gain empathy from a kindred spirit in kind. His name has escaped me but should be easy google. I hope some of these words help lighten your load today after the heavy thoughts of a grieving, confused and ready to grow mother.

    #250445
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    Others may say things, and sometimes those things can hurt us, but you also can step back and evaluate what they are saying to think if it means anything to you or not.

    On the road to perdition????? No, you’re not…that doesn’t make sense, so what they say is more about them and their feelings, not truth or something true to you.

    Once you can dismiss that, it then just becomes how to handle feelings. I’m sorry, it is a tough place you are in, but just follow your heart.

    #250446
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    Canlelight – I concur with the comments previously made regarding perdition. It takes a lot more knowledge and understanding, I imagine, to actually achieve perdition. As a mom may I share a couple of things. This week she has had a life tsunami hit her. For 19 years she has imagined many things. Right now those dreams have been misplaced. That is not to place blame on you, it’s to let you know that she needs time. You have spent some time moving toward your present life, you’ve been researching topics, comtemplating possibilities and reformulating previous ideas. You’ve done it more gradually than she has.

    All of us have areas and times of deep disappointment and panic. She may not know it now but her disappointment has less to do with you than with the dreams she once held. For everyone of us when we are scared our reactions and responses are not are best. We say things we don’t mean, we do things that cause more pain, and more than anything we want the panic and fear to go away. No matter what is causing it. Give her time. In your previous thread you said you felt closer to Heavenly Father, use that gift for she and you. You can pray for her heart, her fears, her hopes, and the healing of the gulf between you. After you pray look for ways to keep your connection with her strong. Are there things you two used to do together, are there things she does that you could work side by side on, like cooking, gardening, car washing. You were her son before you knew what your gender feelings were. Right now the gift you can give her is that son. Don’t lie or fake things. Keep praying for help, use the resources from Ty and the Matis family. The Matis’s were tight knit, devout members, Ty’s found his own answers and so have others.

    Don’t be afraid of her, the tsumani will receed and when it does you will find new roads and new love.

    #250447
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    Old-Timer wrote:

    Thank her seriously and sincerely for her love and concern, and let her know how much you appreciate everything she has done for and given you. Tell her you will be grateful eternally for that and will never turn away from what you believe to be true.

    Leave it at that, without further explanation. ….

    Yeah, I like that.

    #250448
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    I would echo Ray’s advice.

    My heart goes out to your mother as well as you. I know from close experience how difficult it can be to have your illusions come tumbling down around you. In the end if we want to have a measure of peace in our lives, we have to accept that what works for us may not work for someone else — even those very close to us. I think that the best way to help your mother see this is to continue to reflect the love that she shows you while following your heart wherever it leads you.

    #250449
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    Quote:

    In her mind, you are still the vulnerable boy she raised for the past 19+ years. She wants to protect you.

    Sometimes parents try to protect their children by scaring them. Her imagination is probably racing to the

    various extremes that she thinks your life may become. She has no point of reference of how to handle this

    situation. There is no General Conference talk, no SM talk, no SS or RS talk that fits this situation.

    She then goes to the scriptures & found references to the “SofP”. The ultimate extreme.

    I agree with Mike. Having a 19 year old child myself, I understand her reaction. When your children make what you perceive to be bad choices, one predictable reaction is panic. You panic because you see the end of the road they’ve set foot on. You panic because historically children don’t forecast that well and you do. You panic because you fear their lives will be unhappy and one of the hardest things for a parent to see is an unhappy son or daughter. You panic because you have no idea what to do to fix the situation and as a parent you’re used to being able to fix things for your child.

    No, you will not become a son of perdition as your mother fears (panic talking again). There is very little information on this state but what little I’ve heard focuses on those who not only reject the gospel but then actively fight against it, KNOWING all along that it is true. In addition, it would seem that only those who have reached the highest pinnacle of spirituality (e.g. apostle) are at risk for becoming a son of perdition. This is my understanding, at least, and whatever problems or struggles you may have in the future, this will not be one of them.

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