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March 14, 2012 at 11:15 am #206521
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GuestDear Brothers and Sisters here at StayLDS.com, I just want to say how grateful i am to have this website to come to, to bounce off feelings, thoughts, and ideas regarding my LDS faith. before this i was looking for a place online i could feel at home but couldn’t find it. after my disaffection of 12 or 13 years ago i felt so isolated and lost and discomforted.
it took a lot to get through my disaffection and didn’t really see much in terms of help on the net for people struggling with LDS church disaffection. then i happened upon youtube’s John Dehlin on his “reasons why members leave the church” – and that was the beginning of finding my online home here at staylds.com .
could you guys(and gals) share how StayLDS.com came to be ? that would be great !
Sincerely, BLC
March 14, 2012 at 3:21 pm #250906Anonymous
GuestI like it too. It’s had a number of effects. 1) I learned to think for myself on religious matters and I’m much happier
2) It stopped me from going ape on the things I don’t agree with in meetings
3) helped me feel at peace with others who believe differently than I do
4) helped me figure out my own position on some of the doctrinal/policy matters that were causing me pain and
5) exposed me to useful information about our history and the behind-the-scenes things our general membership doesn’t normally know about
6) gave me some decent coaching on a few matters that came up after my own dissafection — not really coaching, but, consulting where I got some opinions from people who understand both sides of the issue — the traditional Church perspective, and the individual perspective — without any judgmentalism like you get at the Ward level
Plus I made a few good friends. We will likely never meet, but it’s a good internet friendship, which provides a degree of sociality I can’t get in my local Ward.
March 14, 2012 at 10:56 pm #250907Anonymous
Guestbrian johnston and john dehlin can tell you the history of how the site came to be. It’s the most conservative side of NOM, and truly has people who want to stay LDS and typically are not intent on leaving. This makes for probably the hardest path in some ways, because the cognitive dissonance of being on that line of belief…yet… is very hard to navigate and sustain.
As well, the mods here are good at maintaining the balance. This often results in more active moderation than some people are used to, but I believe it’s necessary to preserve the balance of that fine line.
The thing I would like to see more of is people. It’s not the most active, and half the posts seem to be by moderators. That’s ok, but we really need to get more people to share and support each other in this unique experience.
cheers!
March 15, 2012 at 1:34 am #250908Anonymous
GuestJust so all of you know (at least those who read this 😆 ), we have multiple hundreds of individual, distinct visitors / readers / lurkers every day, even though the active commenters at any given time is fairly low. Yeah, the conversations don’t flow fast and furiously here (most of the time), but we are more interested in quality than quantity, given our core mission.Some of you know about my Bloggernacle participation over the last 5 years. I was out of work for a short time and then working nights in a field that allowed me to spend time online while working (legitimately
🙂 ) when I first got involved. For that reason, I commented a bit here and there. (That’s an intentional understatement. In 1998, I think it was, I was the most prolific commenter in the entire Bloggernacle – commenting on numerous sites.) I was a frequent commenter on most of the large, group sites; I guest posted for a couple of weeks on Times & Seaons; I was a regular contributor on Mormon Matters for a couple of years; I write daily posts (or provide links to other thought-provoking posts) on my personal blog; I participated for a very short time on another one of John’s start-up sites (until I realized it was turning into almost nothing but a vent / gripe / complain site); etc. I probably still am one of the most active bloggers in the Mormon-themed blogging world, when you include my participation here – but it’s down significantly from where it was at the peak a few years ago, since I now work more traditional hours that limit my available time. (Living alone right now while my family finishes school nearly 2,000 miles away and not having a calling at the moment gives me more time than I will have in a few months.)I was asked to be an admin here early in the process, mostly because I believe passionately that Mormonism has lots of room to serve people who often aren’t served IRL in conventional groups. I am here because I want to be here – both to learn from and to help teach others – and to do so in a supportive, generally non-judgmental, faith-focused (as opposed to traditionally “faithful” – meaning apologetic and dismissive of disagreement), open, honest way.
March 15, 2012 at 2:44 am #250909Anonymous
GuestWow, it’s been a long time, but John D had several projects at that time, and he felt that this was a gap that existed out there – no real site that was totally geared toward helping people stay in the church while respecting their doubts and sharing their cog dis experience. We talked several times about this (I’m sure he did with Brian as well) because I was very concerned that a lot of sites that discuss disaffection really just foster more disaffection and sometimes substitute one set of dogma (the church is 100% true) for another (the church deceived me; the church is false and has bad intentions). I know several of us were pretty much here on this project from the get go. We had John D’s essay on How to Stay, and we had a group of like-interested individuals that John knew and had gathered to start this up. I was administrating Mormon Matters and some other stuff for John D at the time when we started this, and this site was a great fit for my interests. John really was hands off with this project compared to other endeavors as I think it’s just been the right set of admins & mods to keep the tone right. Thank goodness for Brian, whose leadership has been the glue to keep it together.
March 15, 2012 at 6:33 am #250910Anonymous
GuestThanks for this topic BeLikeChrist! It gave me a chance to reflect – and gives me a chance to say thanks. I feel like this site was created for me. It came at a perfect time for me when I was starting to gain a hope that I actually COULD make staying in the church work. I desperately wanted to explore more ideas around the HOW. Brian reached out to me where I was hanging out as the lone goat among sheep (thanks Brian!!
) shortly before this site was launched.
I’m sure I have benefited as much as I could ever give, there is no question that this site and the wonderful people here have contributed to my spiritual growth and my getting back into church.
Thanks All!
:thumbup: March 15, 2012 at 1:56 pm #250911Anonymous
GuestIt’s important to show gratitude. So, here’s my “thank you” too. I’ve gotten far more than I’ve given to this site.
I was skeptical at first that it would help me. It has. Alot.
(I even when HT for the 1st time in many, many years this past Saturday.)
Thanks also to the “Board” (or Administrators) that moderate this site & keep us on track.
Thanks everyone!
Mike from Milton.
March 15, 2012 at 5:06 pm #250912Anonymous
GuestThis site is as much “therapy” for me as it is for everyone else. I am thankful to be a part of the community here, and continue to be blessed by associating with you all online. The conversations here are slower than other sites, but the quality and depth is amazing. To me, the most important aspect is pushing to reinterpret our Mormon life experience after a faith transition in a holistic and positive way — to construct our new story and move forward to new and deeper experiences. Whatever that is for people that works, it’s good and healthy IMO. With my own personal/family dynamic and life experience, I am on the much less orthodox and literal side. But on the other hand, I choose not to exclude the richness of spiritual and religious life from my journey. They are still very important to me. I would not feel complete, or that I got the full tour of mortality without it. Mormonism has too much to offer to rip it out of my soul just to avoid the problems. I choose to integrate it into my continuing story instead.
Just so you all know, we have a huge number of people who just visit to follow the conversations without jumping in. We consistently have 20,000+ visits a month (700 per day on average). We also get almost weekly “thank you” letters from people via email to the admin address saying how much the site and conversations have helped them sort things out in a peaceful and satisfactory way (even though they never participated in the forums). [edit: forgot my final point of all that — it’s your stories and participation here that help all those people. Thanks for being such good examples and taking the time to share your journey with so many.]
March 15, 2012 at 7:13 pm #250913Anonymous
Guestwayfarer wrote:…It’s the most conservative side of NOM, and truly has people who want to stay LDS and typically are not intent on leaving. This makes for probably the hardest path in some ways…The thing I would like to see more of is people.
It’s not the most active, and half the posts seem to be by moderators. That’s ok, but we really need to get more people to share and support each other in this unique experience. The slower pace (compared to some other sites) is one thing I actually like about StayLDS. For example, on the NOM site it seems like the same basic topics are continually re-hashed on a daily or weekly basis and all the new threads are quickly buried by hundreds of similar threads but here it is easier to keep up with any new ideas or discussions.
March 15, 2012 at 10:20 pm #250914Anonymous
GuestI don’t post much here anymore. But, for two years, this site was absolutely great therapy for me, and a good place for me to explore my faith. I liked the site, because I was angry, knew I was angry, and this site allowed me to vent and talk openingly, but also required me to think critically of my opinion and emotional level, to ensure that I was being reasonable and fair to the church and the church leaders. I mean, I am skeptical. I’ve said some stuff here about the church that many members would be furious about. Perhaps even consider apostate level opinions. But I think I am fair, and level headed, and when I did post here, I’m was not just out to destroy or damage the church or other people’s faith. I was just exploring my own faith, and trying to navigate a middle way the best I could.
I also think this website and the folks who post here, really prepared me and jwald for an absolute horror church experience last Spring involving family members, church leaders, and even our own kids. We came out of it okay – better than ever actually. Had it not been for my participation at StayLDS —- the bitterness and anger would have destroyed us. In hindsight – my family did us a wonderful favor —- it allowed us (allowed us to give ourselves permission) to move on and find peace.
March 15, 2012 at 10:31 pm #250915Anonymous
Guestcwald, I must say, you have been a great example of not just venting, but being able to hear others’ responses and consider them…even when you didn’t agree with them and you held to your own opinions. It has been a good way to show we can have a productive dialogue, even when there is not consensus.
cwald wrote:We came out of it okay – better than ever actually.
That has a lot to do with your maturity, IMO. Thanks for sharing your story with us! Personally, I appreciate it.
March 16, 2012 at 4:57 am #250916Anonymous
GuestMy route to this site was a little more circuitous. I post regularly on a traditional apologetic site and struggle with the black and white literalism that I often encounter there. After someone posted about staylds and John Dehlin on that site, I immediately felt an appreciation for his efforts to help foster greater understanding between those who are devout, those who struggle, and those who’ve left.
I’m an orthodox heretic who refuses to leave the church because I love the gospel.
Staylds has provided a supportive community where grace and mercy are prevalent attributes and compassion governs conversation. I come here when I want to remember what the gospel is all about.
(PS I love you guys.)
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