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April 27, 2012 at 1:38 pm #206608
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GuestPlease help me find some good quotes about non-conventional mormons being active or partially active in the church? Preferably by one of the twelve…or Jesus? Funny but I think my husband was inspired this morning when he gave me a quote that popped in his head:
“Unconventional Mormons in the church, are like grains of sand in oysters. They’re Necessary to produce pearls.”
April 27, 2012 at 2:53 pm #252088Anonymous
GuestIMO, Jesus didn’t found or belong to an organized religion, certainly not in the sense we think of it today. If anything, he was a non-conventional Jew. Jesus didn’t create Christianity or Mormonism or anything else. He preached following the Hebrew religion, but with a much more broad and self-actuated perspective. If you want something from a lofty authority source in the LDS Church, there’s the always classic “Concern for the One” talk we reference here in our additional resources page. Here’s a link to Elder Wirthlin’s conference talk:
http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2008/04/concern-for-the-one?lang=eng Instead of grains of sand in an oyster, Elder Wirthlin preaches about the value of having diverse instruments in an orchestra. We need all the different tones and timbres to make beautiful music.
April 27, 2012 at 3:24 pm #252089Anonymous
GuestThanks Brian and for the link to that article. April 27, 2012 at 10:26 pm #252090Anonymous
GuestQuote:
And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
— Mark 9:38-41
April 28, 2012 at 2:14 am #252091Anonymous
GuestMy husband once said a very similar thing to me many years ago! I think the answer to your question is yes! April 28, 2012 at 4:26 pm #252092Anonymous
GuestI cant think of any quotes off hand but if you think about it Joseph, Brigham and a host of early saints would be non conventional Mormons by todays standards. They would be labeled the nutty guy in the HP quorum who says crazy stuff and is marginalized. April 28, 2012 at 5:30 pm #252093Anonymous
GuestHow about Orrin Porter Rockwell? Imagine him walking into a HP class on Sunday?
Mike from Milton.
April 28, 2012 at 7:52 pm #252094Anonymous
GuestGreat comments about JS, BY, and Porter Rockwell. I like J. Golden Kimball as well. If individuality is so valued, like Jesus did in choosing such very different apostles, why is there such a demand for conformity in wearing only white shirts for men, only one earring for women, no tattooes for anyone, only dresses for women in church and on missions, etc. etc. It really bothered me 4 years ago when all teachers in my ward were told by the bishop that they could only use the 4 standard works and Ensign to teach from now on. When I said that GA’s quote mother Theresa and Billy Gram and the 13th article of faith teaches to seek after anything praiseworthy or of good report, I was told that is because they are GA’s and can discern better. So, I am glad that this last conference we were told that GA’s are not always right and to get our own personal revelation on things.
April 30, 2012 at 11:22 am #252095Anonymous
GuestQuote:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn. 24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful? 25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? 26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? 27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
April 30, 2012 at 10:41 pm #252096Anonymous
GuestNo. He wouldn’t be Mormon at all…they would have kicked him out long ago. IN MY OPINION.
May 8, 2012 at 5:17 pm #252097Anonymous
Guestcwald wrote:No. He wouldn’t be Mormon at all…they would have kicked him out long ago. IN MY OPINION.

Have you ever heard of “The Grand Inquisitor”? It’s a story in the Brothers Karamazov. Basically Christ comes back to Seville, and the church (Catholic) tells him to go away and attempts to stall him.
Here are some extracts –
Quote:“He comes silently and unannounced; yet all—how strange—yea, all recognize Him, at once! The population rushes towards Him as if propelled by some irresistible force; it surrounds, throngs, and presses around, it follows Him…. Silently, and with a smile of boundless compassion upon His lips, He crosses the dense crowd, and moves softly on. The Sun of Love burns in His heart, and warm rays of Light, Wisdom and Power beam forth from His eyes, and pour down their waves upon the swarming multitudes of the rabble assembled around, making their hearts vibrate with returning love. He extends His hands over their heads, blesses them, and from mere contact with Him, aye, even with His garments, a healing power goes forth. An old man, blind from his birth, cries, ‘Lord, heal me, that I may see Thee!’ and the scales falling off the closed eyes, the blind man beholds Him… The crowd weeps for joy, and kisses the ground upon which He treads. Children strew flowers along His path and sing to Him, ‘Hosanna!’ It is He, it is Himself, they say to each other, it must be He, it can be none other but He! He pauses at the portal of the old cathedral, just as a wee white coffin is carried in, with tears and great lamentations. The lid is off, and in the coffin lies the body of a fair-child, seven years old, the only child of an eminent citizen of the city. The little corpse lies buried in flowers. ‘He will raise the child to life!’ confidently shouts the crowd to the weeping mother. The officiating priest who had come to meet the funeral procession, looks perplexed, and frowns. A loud cry is suddenly heard, and the bereaved mother prostrates herself at His feet. ‘If it be Thou, then bring back my child to life!’ she cries beseechingly. The procession halts, and the little coffin is gently lowered at his feet. Divine compassion beams forth from His eyes, and as He looks at the child, His lips are heard to whisper once more, ‘Talitha Cumi’—and ‘straightway the damsel arose.’ The child rises in her coffin. Her little hands still hold the nosegay of white roses which after death was placed in them, and, looking round with large astonished eyes she smiles sweetly …. The crowd is violently excited. A terrible commotion rages among them, the populace shouts and loudly weeps, when suddenly, before the cathedral door, appears the Cardinal Grand Inquisitor himself…. He is tall, gaunt-looking old man of nearly four-score years and ten, with a stern, withered face, and deeply sunken eyes, from the cavity of which glitter two fiery sparks. He has laid aside his gorgeous cardinal’s robes in which he had appeared before the people at the auto da-fe of the enemies of the Romish Church, and is now clad in his old, rough, monkish cassock. His sullen assistants and slaves of the ‘holy guard’ are following at a distance. He pauses before the crowd and observes. He has seen all. He has witnessed the placing of the little coffin at His feet, the calling back to life. And now, his dark, grim face has grown still darker; his bushy grey eyebrows nearly meet, and his sunken eye flashes with sinister light. Slowly raising his finger, he commands his minions to arrest Him…
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“Of course; and it could not well be otherwise,” again retorted Ivan. “The Grand Inquisitor begins from his very first words by telling Him [Jesus] that He has no right to add one syllable to that which He had said before. To make the situation clear at once, the above preliminary monologue is intended to convey to the reader the very fundamental idea which underlies Roman Catholicism—as well as I can convey it, his words mean, in short: ‘Everything was given over by Thee to the Pope, and everything now rests with him alone; Thou hast no business to return and thus hinder us in our work.’ In this sense the Jesuits not only talk but write likewise.
“‘Hast thou the right to divulge to us a single one of the mysteries of that world whence Thou comest?’ enquires of Him my old Inquisitor, and forthwith answers for Him. ‘Nay, Thou has no such right. For, that would be adding to that which was already said by Thee before; hence depriving people of that freedom for which Thou hast so stoutly stood up while yet on earth…. Anything new that Thou would now proclaim would have to be regarded as an attempt to interfere with that freedom of choice, as it would come as a new and a miraculous revelation superseding the old revelation of fifteen hundred years ago, when Thou didst so repeatedly tell the people: “The truth shall make you free.” Behold then, Thy “free” people now!’ adds the old man with sombre irony. ‘Yea!… it has cost us dearly.’ he continues, sternly looking at his victim. ‘But we have at last accomplished our task, and—in Thy name…. For fifteen long centuries we had to toil and suffer owing to that “freedom”: but now we have prevailed and our work is done, and well and strongly it is done. ….Believest not Thou it is so very strong? … And why should Thou look at me so meekly as if I were not worthy even of Thy indignation?… Know then, that now, and only now, Thy people feel fully sure and satisfied of their freedom; and that only since they have themselves and of their own free will delivered that freedom unto our hands by placing it submissively at our feet. But then, that is what we have done. Is it that which Thou has striven for? Is this the kind of “freedom” Thou has promised them?'”
The Inquisitor then proceeds to set up a stake on which to burn Jesus.
The entire sequence can be read here –
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