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    After much discussion with Brother Perkins, he has decided to upload the 1st segment of Blacks in the Scriptures – “Blacks in the Bible” to his website.

    You can view it here:

    http://blacksinthescriptures.com/blacks-in-the-bible/

    #254516
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    On the forum that I moderate, at least once a month, a forum member will ask about what certain scriptures mean, LDS Church history and Official Declaration 2.

    I have normally participated (sometimes got kinda ‘heated’) in such threads. These are real concerns because it’s not just a race issue… it’s the core of our doctrine and beliefs. We believe in living prophets and that this is the restored and true church of Jesus Christ.

    As a member of the African American Outreach Program – a member-missionary proselyting program organized by Brother Perkins, I help assist members who have such questions. I have been privileged to help a few enter the waters of baptism – both online and offline.

    My mother grew up in the Church. She always had questions about this issue. When she was in an LDS bookstore, she saw a copy of the Blacks in the Scriptures DVDs. She picked it up and saw the sticker price ($40)… and promptly put it back. The spirit told her, “You’ve been looking for answers on this issue your whole life… and you’re going to let $40 stop you?” She bought it.

    I believe that when the members are thirsty enough for the knowledge, just as a non-member becomes thirsty for the gospel, then that member is ready to hear this message. There isn’t anything that I or anyone else can say until one is ready to hear it.

    This DVD series has been instrumental in helping members and investigators to understand what the brethren want us to understand in the scriptures and to have a resource to turn to when they “hear something”.

    The intention of the DVD series is so that the message can be communicated in a uniformed way, each and every time.

    The fact that this issue exists is another proof that the church is true. There will ALWAYS be a reason to doubt the church – whether it is polygamy, the authenticity of The Book of Mormon or any other matter. This particular matter is a big one… and there are answers to help those with a searching heart.

    Now, is this “official” from the Church? No. It is not produced by the church. However, all General Authority images are used with permission (actual disclosure on the DVD case). The church has never discouraged the distribution of these presentations.

    When you click the link below, there’s a “download” button at the top right side.

    https://www.box.com/s/9681efeff27a16833692

    In addition, you can start a new thread, you can contact me via PM, you can also contact the Blacks in the Scriptures website and ask your questions directly to Marvin Perkins. (He often has better answers than I come up with as well.)

    After studying these things out in your mind (D&C 9:7-9), please pray about what you have learned. Don’t take my word, or Brother Perkin’s word. Just because he’s on a DVD doesn’t mean that it’s “absolutely correct”. (Playing devil’s advocate here.)

    This is not the only information on the subject. There are others. However, this seems to be the easiest to share, and the most comprehensive in the presentation of the material.

    It is my testimony that as many can be touched by this message and can share the truths of it with others, the more souls we can bring into the Gospel and bring a spirit of clarity and love, where there once was darkness and confusion.

    skippy740

    Note: Should you decide to purchase the DVD, I have no financial involvement in the Blacks in the Scriptures website. Please also know that staylds.com has no connection to the Blacks in the Scriptures website.

    Additional Resources:

    In addition, as it was discussed previously on the forum, the link below is to the article by Edward L. Kimball about how the 1978 revelation on the priesthood came about. At the time of this post, the article is free. Just click on the PDF logo.

    https://byustudies.byu.edu/showTitle.aspx?title=7885

    This is a recent LIVE fireside held in October, 2011. This is an audio recording only, and it’s pretty long… but it shows a live interaction with the congregation. This is a MUST LISTEN! Very conversational and less ‘lecture’ style. Yes, it’s 3 hours long… but it’s GOOD!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFWxqTUONOA

    The Doctrine of Christ – D. Todd Christofferson, April, 2012 General Conference

    http://www.lds.org/general-conference/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng

    Couple of highlights:

    Quote:

    At the same time it should be remembered that not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. It is commonly understood in the Church that a statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, not meant to be official or binding for the whole Church. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that “a prophet [is] a prophet only when he [is] acting as such.”5

    Quote:

    President Clark, quoted earlier, observed:

    “To this point runs a simple story my father told me as a boy, I do not know on what authority, but it illustrates the point. His story was that during the excitement incident to the coming of [Johnston’s] Army, Brother Brigham preached to the people in a morning meeting a sermon vibrant with defiance to the approaching army, and declaring an intention to oppose and drive them back.

    In the afternoon meeting he arose and said that Brigham Young had been talking in the morning, but the Lord was going to talk now. He then delivered an address, the tempo of which was the opposite from the morning talk. …

    “… The Church will know by the testimony of the Holy Ghost in the body of the members, whether the brethren in voicing their views are ‘moved upon by the Holy Ghost’; and in due time that knowledge will be made manifest.”6

    The Church issued two official statements regarding racism, both inside and outside of the church:

    http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/race-church

    Changes on LDS.org in regards to chapter headings and footnotes:

    http://www.blacklds.org/changes-to-lds-scripture-headings-footnotes

    Address by Bruce R. McConkie where he said “Forget everything I have said…”

    http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=11017

    The Law of Common Consent within the LDS Church: (If you listen to the live fireside recording in Nevada, you’ll see how this fits into the topic)

    http://institute.lds.org/manuals/doctrine-and-covenants-institute-student-manual/dc-in-021-26.asp

    #254517
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    Thank you, skippy, for posting these resources. I admire Brother Perkins, Brother Gray and everyone else who has worked so hard to make materials like these available. “No Man Knows: A History of Black Mormons” in particular is a favorite of mine. I personally am interested in the focus of this work, but, honestly, given my financial situation right now, I probably will not be purchasing any of the materials.

    We intentionally avoid endorsing the purchase of anything specific here at StayLDS. I honor your mother’s experience, but it might or might not be applicable to others here. I appreciate your disclaimer making it clear that there is no financial incentive whatsoever for you in posting this information and no affiliation whatever of our site to anything you’ve posted.

    I hope that everyone who reads your comment and clicks on the links will follow the dictates of their own conscience in how they process the information and proceed to act, without feeling any “pressure” in any way. This is an important issue, and we have discussed it at length in other threads. I’m sure it will surface more than once in the future. Meanwhile, it’s good to have resources to consider differing views and conclusions.

    #254518
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    First, I am glad the church is finally waking up and recognizing there is a problem. That is a good thing.

    Second…I have not listened to the DVD….but I have to say, the Law of Common Consent is one of the most dishonest apologetic responses EVER for ANY issue.

    It is an insult of the worst kind for the LDS church to use it to defend their position, and/or their mistakes.

    PS…don’t understand what I am saying…read my signature.

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

    #254519
    Anonymous
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    Thank you. This information is provided exactly for the reason I mentioned – for others to learn and process for their own experience.

    The DVD segments will be made available on the blacksinthescriptures.com website as this is a new experiment to get the message out. So pretty soon, you may not have to pay anything to view the information.

    #254520
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    cwald wrote:

    First, I am glad the church is finally waking up and recognizing there is a problem. That is a good thing.

    Second…I have not listened to the DVD….but I have to say, the Law of Common Consent is one if the most dishonest apologetic responses EVER for ANY issue.

    It is an insult of the worst kind for the LDS church to use it to defend their position, and/or their mistakes.

    PS…don’t understand what I am saying…read my signature.

    Sent from my SCH-I500 using Tapatalk 2

    I completely agree. It’s not a reason to have let this go on, but it is a reason WHY it went on for so long. The bretheren were NEVER united on this issue until Spencer W. Kimball was president of the church.

    I remember hearing a story (so take it for what it’s worth) that President Harold B. Lee was out of town, and the remaining 1st Presidency and Qof12 met to discuss the issue – and it was unanimous for them… until President Lee returned. He said “NOT while I’M President of the Church!” He passed away 6 months later.

    #254521
    Anonymous
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    Skippy, those look like interesting links. I will have to check them out. As for President Lee, Michael Quinn addresses that issue. Some your details are off. In 1969 under President McKay, there was a meeting with Lee absent and the Q12 voted to rescind the ban. When Lee returned, there was a revote and since it wasn’t unanimous, the original vote was rescinded. McKay wasn’t in very good health, and died in 1970. Joseph Fielding Smith replaced McKay, and Lee served as church president from July 1972-December 1973.

    #254522
    Anonymous
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    That’s fair. (And of course, as I said, it was a story that I “heard”.)

    However, I have even bigger information to share. Due to the ever increasing demand (and other circumstances that I’m aware of), ALL 4 VIDEO SEGMENTS of Blacks in the Scriptures are now available online at:

    http://blacksinthescriptures.com/in-the-news/

    This may be for a limited time – maybe until the election is over and the Church may be under ‘less’ scrutiny at that point. Anyway, it is there for your edification and learning. Enjoy!

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