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This Is out of pure curiosity. I wondered what opinions the members of this board had regarding the Church owned universities: specifically BYU, BYU-Hawaii, BYU-Idaho, LDS Business College. If you had a college bound child, would you want them to attend one of these? If so, why and which one? (are they all “created equal?”) If not, why not? Gerald wrote:This Is out of pure curiosity. I wondered what opinions the members of this board had regarding the Church owned universities: specifically BYU, BYU-Hawaii, BYU-Idaho, LDS Business College. If you had a college bound child, would you want them to attend one of these? If so, why and which one? (are they all “created equal?”) If not, why not?
Coming from a very TBM family growing up only 1 out of my 4 siblings attended BYU. Even then that sibling came home after 2 years because he hated the culture of culture intolerance there and feeling like it was a second rate education for the money offered(RN then doctor) engaged to a long time asian Buddhist GF which he received a lot of flack for.he continued his education at a local college and felt it was both a much cheaper and better experience. I’m happy that there are some universities to meet some me members needs though. As I am engaged to a very TBM women right now I have thought extensively about this. I’m not sure I would be all that happy about sending my future kids to a university that is so culturally tunnel visioned. That’s not the experience or intolerance I want to raise in my children. On the other hand I do like the idea of high moral standards in college but BYU goes to the extreme and makes things that aren’t a right or wrong thing like beards and just create a warped perception of reality into thinking that everything is either right or wrong as well as limiting self expression on things that aren’t right or wrong. So I guess when the time comes I will talk with my son/daughter and see what they want but make sure they know all the ins and outs of it before the make a decision. It’s a toss up for me with a few of my multi cultural friends experience there. To quote a friend from HOng Kong. “I believe in high standereds but my mind mind must be free, free to explore and express tough questions. Even the very foundation of what we hold dear must be continually tried and tested. We come out a better world with further light and knowledge for it”. Good point. I want my children to have that kind of college experience with the high values I raised in him. Is that BYU in today’s world? My friends attended mid 90s and early 2000s and didn’t like it. Has it changed?
I want each of my children to attend whatever college will be best for them. Period. For my oldest three, that was not a BYU or church-run school. For my current high school senior, it probably will be.
Generally speaking, the BYU’s are good academic institutions – and I just saw a list of the most affordable college in the country (based on the average total debt of the students who borrow to help pay for their college expenses). BYU-Provo was the 5th most affordable college in the country, behind Princeton, Yale, Harvard and one more I can’t remember. I appreciate the subsidizing the Church does to make that so.
Absoutely not. I don’t want my kids going to any of the church-owned schools. The price is too high. (And I’m not talking dollars.) Old-Timer wrote:I want each of my children to attend whatever college will be best for them. Period.
For my oldest three, that was not a BYU or church-run school. For my current high school senior, it probably will be.
Generally speaking, the BYU’s are good academic institutions – and I just saw a list of the most affordable college in the country (based on the average total debt of the students who borrow to help pay for their college expenses). BYU-Provo was the 5th most affordable college in the country, behind Princeton, Yale, Harvard and one more I can’t remember. I appreciate the subsidizing the Church does to make that so.
When compared to regular national colleges ya. But my siblings attended local colleges they could afford at $2000 a year. Not the $5-6000 that was/is extremely unaffordable to my friends and family. None of us have borrowed money from the government as our bishops counseled against borrowing such a high dollar amount even for college. I payed $15 a credit in California in a community college. My brother payed $30 a credit for a regular local college. Somewhat affordable if you work full time. When I moved to the east cost prices here were outrageous $80-120 a credit for community college and $8000- a semester for a public college with private colleges cost $20-25000. It’s absolutely insane. I personally won’t be going back to college at that price. Given east coast prices of college versus California growing up BYU looks like a great deal compard to east coast but far from the $15-30 a credit in the late 90s I and my brother paid in California. I don’t know if my future kids will even afford any college when they grow up. I can only pray and do my best and support them as best I can.Updated– I see the current cost of the college is $46 a unit this year.
ATVjunkie wrote:Absoutely not. I don’t want my kids going to any of the church-owned schools. The price is too high. (And I’m not talking dollars.)
There is that too. But I will still support them if they choose it. Just make sure they know exactly what they are getting it to either way. They must choose to learn from thier own experience.
Gerald wrote:This Is out of pure curiosity. I wondered what opinions the members of this board had regarding the Church owned universities: specifically BYU, BYU-Hawaii, BYU-Idaho, LDS Business College. If you had a college bound child, would you want them to attend one of these? If so, why and which one? (are they all “created equal?”) If not, why not?
I would love my kids to go to church school. doesn’t matter which but Hawaii would be fun
ATVjunkie wrote:Absoutely not. I don’t want my kids going to any of the church-owned schools. The price is too high. (And I’m not talking dollars.)
ATV, out of curiousity, what price are you talking about?
Mike from Milton.
For me it would depend on the amount of church culture I felt my child needed. My daughter — any college that fits her needs would do. For my son, I think he needs the church structure and would benefit from a church school. If it were me, I would rank the three BYUs in the following order. 1 – BYU
2 – BYU Hawaii
3 – BYU Idaho
I believe that in most majors you can get a top-notch education at BYU. And if you are a church member, the costs, at least compared to what one would have to pay at a public university in California, are extremely reasonable, if not cheap. I think that one can find whatever one is looking for at BYU. If you want to lead a sheltered existence, you can certainly find that there, but I think there is enough diversity of opinion that you can also have a fairly open, honest, and stimulating academic experience.
I have no personal experience with 2 and 3, but from what little I do know (I have at least visited both campuses), BYU Hawaii is roughly equivalent to a good community college in a really cool place. At one time the intended purpose was to provide a place for higher education for locals and Pacific islanders, but I don’t know if that’s still the emphasis in recruiting. For various reasons, primarily the culture (which I think infects everything else) there is no way I would ever set foot on BYU-Idaho as a student, and I strongly discourage my children from considering going there. But it works for a lot of people.
I have very little insight into LDS Business College, but I believe it is a well-respected institution if that’s the kind of education one is looking for.
My oldest daughter is currently at BYU-Idaho, and she absolutely loves it! It is the right fit for her, and she thrives there. My second daughter is a HS senior. She may apply to Provo as a fall back for her, but I seriously doubt she will want to go there. But time will tell.
My nephew went to BYU Hawaii and did not like the social scene there.
There are good things and bad things about them compared to other schools. I wouldn’t hesitate sending them there and lean that way because it is familiar to me. But if they want to go elsewhere, I support that too.
I loved my experience at the Y.
No. The end.
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Mike wrote:ATVjunkie wrote:Absoutely not. I don’t want my kids going to any of the church-owned schools. The price is too high. (And I’m not talking dollars.)
ATV, out of curiousity, what price are you talking about?
Mike from Milton.
Given that higher education is an investment and all investments involve a measure of risk, I seek to manage and minimize that risk and maximize the return. Factoring in the tendency of half of our family to be rather non-conformist in thinking and attitudes, the risk is increased. Now that being said, my wife and I see differently on this issue. She’s a BYU-Provo grad and she loved her time there. I tend to view it as a stifling big-brother atmosphere, where one is constantly under observation and expected to conform to approved but arbitrary norms in speech, dress, behavior and thinking. Run afoul and it could cost you significantly socially, psychologically, and in terms of both time and money.
If my kids choose to go there, fine. As long as it is a decision made with eyes wide open being as informed as possible. Once that train leaves the station, there’s no stopping it until graduation.
No, No and No! I find they are far to dogmatic, restrictive and do not treat young adults as adults. Not to mention that I feel that university is a time in which you grow the most by being exposed to as many different people, ideals, cultures, and thoughts as possible. I am raising my children to be critical thinkers in a global community and I think that church run schools are an environment and culture that represent the antithesis of these goals. Almost all of the people I grew up with who then went to a church school came out far more narrow minded and stuck in their own little universe than when they left Canada.
Even my TBM wife agrees with me on this one. Not to mention that I have known way to many people who went to the Y schools and did not have their credentials carry over fully when then came back to Canada.
cwald wrote:No.
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I think that was a song by the Doors.My gay daughter wad completely suicidal at BYU provo. BYU -I is worse.
If you are nor into Molly-mo, Peter-p conformity, BYU is a pretty hostile place.
My youngest is at Utah State, just joined a sorority, and is doing great…
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