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    Hello,

    Just a quick note to say hello and what brings me to this forum. I’m 33 years old, was born in the church, served a mission, went to BYU, worked as an instructor at the MTC, got married in the temple, and have three kids now. I’m having questions that lots of folks in this forum seem to have had, mostly related to church history. These questions came up unexpectedly and extremely quickly, and my faith has changed dramatically in the last week or so. The church is very important to me socially, culturally, personally, and spiritually — leaving isn’t really an option for me. So I’m looking for ways to make it work. The good news is that my wife independently started having similar doubts a few weeks before me, so I’ve got good support in my home.

    The biggest problem I have now is how to keep doing my calling. I’m the ward clerk, and although it involves a lot of non-spiritual things like paperwork, in my ward it also involves going to and actively participating in bishopric meeting, executive committee meeting, and ward council, including conducting and participating in 10-15 minute discussions on scriptural topics. My doubts are clearly affecting how I perform in the calling and my feelings toward the bishopric, who are all good people that would do almost anything to help any member of the ward. I feel like the ward clerk really should be someone who can be more focused on helping the ward function and providing support to them without having to work through a struggle of faith at the same time — but I don’t know how to go about telling the bishop or stake president that. Quitting from a calling isn’t something I’ve ever done, and it’s not usually something that’s well received. Our stake president has said that ward clerks should have an expectation of tenure, so it’s not like I’m likely to be released any time soon. I really want to preserve my relationships in the ward so that I can serve in other capacities after I work through some of this. If anyone can point me to some previous threads addressing this topic on this forum, I’d really appreciate it. Otherwise, I’ll look for an appropriate category to start a new thread.

    Thanks in advance, especially for creating a safe place to discuss these things. Even a month ago, I never would have thought that I’d be having these kinds of doubts. It’s really great to know there are resources like this available.

    Thanks,

    p

    #259547
    Anonymous
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    Welcome. I hope we can help in some way, and I look forward to learning from you.

    I am traveling and have little time to respond, but I just want to ask one question for now:

    Why do you think a Ward Clerk can’t be struggling with a crisis of faith?

    #259548
    Anonymous
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    Welcome! Feel free to voice all your questions and ideas openly here.

    One thing that helps in callings is to be honest with yourself. Having responsibilities can stretch you and be good for you to be a part if something. You should contribute honestly and with integrity. But you may be putting more pressure on yourself than you need to. Skipping some meetings may be OK every once in a while when you need to be with your family(even little things, like taking naps with your kids or taking them to the park can be important family time).

    Your bishop will appreciate what you can give. You don’t need to feel obligated to tell him you are not fit to serve in your calling. The Lord accepts whatever you can give.

    Go slow, and keep trading up, doing good things that uplift you. Make sure you follow the counsel of the church, put family first above callings.

    #259549
    Anonymous
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    Welcome! I tend to think clerk is a calling well suited to a faith crisis. Beats ward mission leader! Maybe you can elaborate on the angst it causes you in the bishopric meetings. I’d focus on service and administration, if it were me.

    #259550
    Anonymous
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    Thanks for the replies. The main problem I feel as ward clerk is that, in my ward, much more than just pushing paper is involved in being ward clerk. The bishop actively seeks my thoughts in bishopric meeting on things like, for example, who should be called into a particular calling. But it’s hard to tell him that I feel a spiritual confirmation about calling so-and-so to such-and-such calling when I’m finding it very hard to feel the Spirit at all in my life right now.

    #259551
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I can relate to the unexpectedly and quickly. It has been exhausting and heartbreaking. I have more hope than I did in the beginning that I will find the way through this.

    #259552
    Anonymous
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    pas2111 wrote:

    Thanks for the replies. The main problem I feel as ward clerk is that, in my ward, much more than just pushing paper is involved in being ward clerk. The bishop actively seeks my thoughts in bishopric meeting on things like, for example, who should be called into a particular calling. But it’s hard to tell him that I feel a spiritual confirmation about calling so-and-so to such-and-such calling when I’m finding it very hard to feel the Spirit at all in my life right now.

    I understand. In time you may realize how you feel “the spirit” in new and different ways. Of course it is up to you to decide what you feel good about. In my ward a simple “I feel good about that” is all that is required.

    #259553
    Anonymous
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    P,

    I agree with what everyone else has posted. Your service as a clerk is a big blessing to the bishop and the entire ward, and your faith crisis doesn’t mean you have to ask to be released. Serving can bring opportunities to feel the spirit and help make your faith transition smoother.

    If you need to free up time to focus on your spiritual journey, could you delegate some tasks to an assistant clerk or ask one of bishop’s counselors to help you? If anyone asks why you need help (they probably won’t), you can just say your family needs you. You have three kids, it’s believeable. I usually teleconference for bishopric meeting so I can help my wife get our 3 kids (including new baby) to church.

    When I served as an executive secretary I rarely had a burning in my bossom about anyone receiving a certain calling. I would usually contribute by keeping the bishop informed. As long as you don’t have a reason (or feeling) to think someone shouldn’t have a calling, there’s nothing wrong with agreeing with the rest of the bishopric.

    Good luck!

    #259554
    Anonymous
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    But it’s hard to tell him that I feel a spiritual confirmation about calling so-and-so to such-and-such calling when I’m finding it very hard to feel the Spirit at all in my life right now.

    Then don’t tell them that.

    We are told that inpsiration can come through the heart and through the mind. Let the other people in the Bishopric be the heart; you be part of the mind.

    I’ve served in multiple Bishoprics, and not every calling involves spiritual confirmation. Sure, that’s the ideal – and I believe in being open to and desiring it, but I’ve come to understand that the Lord doesn’t command OR confirm every decision like that. Part of administration is administering as an “agent unto yourself” – so your “intellectual” or “analytical” input can be part of the process without any need for spiritual confirmation.

    #259555
    Anonymous
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    There are many options on staying in the calling and making it work. This part I your journey is going to be about what you want to do, what you desire.

    You can keep thoughts to yourself and work through faith issues online by yourself.

    You can voice them openly and even ask to be released.

    You can find middle ground and be the “Spock” to your bishop so he has a rational voice, despite you not having spiritual feelings that help you feel you see things the way others in the meeting see thIngs.

    You have options.

    What do you want in your heart and head?

    Do you want a break? Do you want to try to make it work? Do you not know?

    There is no right or wrong. There is only a choice.

    #259556
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Welcome! This is definitely a safe space…we all seem to air our dirty laundry (so to speak) here. This forum has been very helpful to me and others. :)

    #259557
    Anonymous
    Guest

    I agree with Orson and Ray on this one for two main reasons: 1) if we all are “spiritual” beings, maybe feeling “the spirit” confirm is just tapping into our own best instincts, and 2) I have no idea what other people have experienced that they call “feeling the spirit.” By the 2nd one I mean, I don’t necessarily assume they mean anything different from “this sounds reasonable to me” but just said with Mormon Speak. Seriously, who knows? I’m sure some of them are more attuned to spiritual matters than others, but just saying you are doesn’t mean you are. I’ve heard people attribute some pretty bone-headed judgment calls to the spirit!

    #259558
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Thanks again for all the replies. Since I first posted here, I have been released as ward clerk — and called as ward mission leader. I should have turned the calling down, but it came up in a very surprising and unexpected setting, and I didn’t know how to handle it, other than to say “OK.” I’m trying to apply all the good advice I received here and serve in the best way I can — mostly by being a helpful resource for the missionaries in our ward.

    That said, I admit that sometimes what I want most is to be able to take a break — not from attending church, but from having a calling. It’s hard to figure out where I stand when everyone still thinks that I’m very much in line with the program. When my faith crisis began, I made a conscious decision to tell very few people about it — initially only my wife, who it turns out was going through more or less the same thing but about two months earlier than me. I think my decision to keep it to myself was the right one, and I still don’t feel comfortable telling anyone else about my faith crisis, especially my bishop who I know well outside of church and consider to be a good friend. But not telling him feels more and more dishonest. So I’m in an uncomfortable no-man’s land, where I’m trying to sort things out but still have a demanding calling that makes me appear to be very much with the program, even though I’m not. Anyone else been in this situation?

    Maybe the answer here is to have a chat with the bishop. But he quite obviously has no clue I’m struggling in the faith and I hate to do anything to make his own calling more difficult, which are already tremendous. I’d love just to be able to slip quietly to the back row of church and hang out there for 6 months or so.

    #259559
    Anonymous
    Guest

    My advice for your new calling:

    Organize real service in your area, especially for the outcast among you. No conversion focus; no ulterior motives; just pure service for the sake of helping others.

    #259560
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Old-Timer wrote:

    Organize real service in your area, especially for the outcast among you. No conversion focus; no ulterior motives; just pure service for the sake of helping others.

    When I was ward mission leader and having a faith crisis I organized what on of the missionaries dubbed “partypalooza.” Essentually the ward was really spread out and lacking cohesion, so we started to have these little regional potluck events. All the members living within the town would be invited (as well as anyone that wanted to travel the distance). We would do it at parks and at alternating members’ houses. These also had the side benefit of being a great place to bring non-members.

    I’m sure that there might be plenty of things that you can do to help others and make their lives better without pushing baptisms.

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