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OK, my parents are converts hence I can be shocked sometimes by things other people take for granted. My visiting teacher today informed me that she was looking forward to the time when she would be less prideful and accept god’s will. She then went on to tell me that she hoped she would be able to accomplish this before she died because she would have to be supportive when her husband married other women in the celestial kingdom. WT# ??? I thought we were sealed to our ONE spouse for eternity? I figured the poor women forced into polygamy back in the early part of the church would have a choice to remain sealed but as for modern day Mormons it was a one and done situation. Did I miss something somewhere? This woman is not old, in her early 40’s. When I said that would not be an option for my husband she replied that that was just my vanity, pride and lack of faith talking and that I would need to accept God’s will for his daughters. I think I’m going to be sick! She also went onto say that that was how we would have so many spirit children.?.? So my version of celestial glory according to her, is that I get to share my husband, pop out more spirit children and learn to
enjoywatching him have many wives. NOT my idea of heaven!!! If this is correct doctrine than I’m calling mormonisim the western version of Islam! Please tell me this is just some twisted cultural thing!!! This concept of my personal heaven makes me physically ill!! It is not doctrine. But you will find many people choose to believe that, for some it is the only way to make sense of our polygamy past and D&C scriptures.
Just remember, some people taught and believed things about African-Americans to make sense of the priesthood ban.
But prophets have since been clear on these subjects…that the fact is, we just don’t know. Until we get further light and knowledge, we just don’t know.
Does it feel right to you, in your heart and your spirit? It doesnt to me. That is doctrine…to follow the Holy Ghost which will teach us the truth of all things.
Agree to disagree with your sister in the ward. You have plenty of material to back you up, that it is not doctrine.
Thank you Heber13!!!! I will be able to sleep now knowing it is not doctrine!! No problem. But I doubt she is intentionally deceiving you and lying to you…she is just misinformed and has not taken the time to properly study the issue, so she is just repeating what she’ll heard. It makes me sad to think many women in the church are led to believe this is a burden they must carry and pray to be more humble about it.
You can read Jacob 2:23-27 as one source.
You may also want to read the article on the subject here :
http://askmormongirl.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/im-pretty-sure-mormons-still-believe-in-polygamy-am-i-wrong/ ” class=”bbcode_url”> http://askmormongirl.wordpress.com/2012/01/22/im-pretty-sure-mormons-still-believe-in-polygamy-am-i-wrong/ They had a good discussion.
Many believe that; many don’t. It used to be taught; it’s not anymore. Heber13 wrote:It is not doctrine.
But you will find many people choose to believe that, for some it is the only way to make sense of our polygamy past and D&C scriptures.
Just remember, some people taught and believed things about African-Americans to make sense of the priesthood ban.
But prophets have since been clear on these subjects…that the fact is, we just don’t know. Until we get further light and knowledge, we just don’t know.
Does it feel right to you, in your heart and your spirit? It doesnt to me. That is doctrine…to follow the Holy Ghost which will teach us the truth of all things.
Agree to disagree with your sister in the ward. You have plenty of material to back you up, that it is not doctrine.
Heber my thoughts exactly… The Holy Ghost (not apostles, not Bishops, not Home Teachers or Visiting Teachers) but the Holy Ghost through all people and experiences shall show you the truth of all things.
I don’t believe it. I also don’t personally know anyone who does believe it that doesn’t have polygamous ancestry. So that fuels my skepticism further. I think people who believe this underinvest in their marriage relationship. Why get too attached if you eventually have to share? What about men who’s wives pass away first and they are remarried and sealed to the next wife? Does that not make polygamy present in the Celestrial kingdom? Heber13 wrote:But I doubt she is intentionally deceiving you and lying to you…she is just misinformed and has not taken the time to properly study the issue, so she is just repeating what she’ll heard.
It makes me sad to think many women in the church are led to believe this is a burden they must carry and pray to be more humble about it.
Yup, I’ve seen it both ways. I’ve seen Isa 4:1 (7 women take hold on one man) given as a proof text that Polygamy will be reinstated in the millennium. I’ve also read that because they are not being provided for by their husband (“we will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes”) they are not practicing the divinely sanctioned form of polygamy.
I knew a female missionary that was “on fire.” She told me that every man that she was able to convert to the gospel reduced her probability of being asked to share her husband (due to imbalance in the amount of heaven worthy men and women).
Canucknuckle wrote:What about men who’s wives pass away first and they are remarried and sealed to the next wife? Does that not make polygamy present in the Celestrial kingdom?
I understand that this was the key to Hyrum’s acceptance of polygamy – that it allowed him to be sealed to both his deceased wife and his current wife. Unfortunately, situations like these are problematic for a cut and dry view of the afterlife. I suppose your answer will depend heavily on two sometimes contradictory things: 1) how much you expect our mortal ordinances to determine things in the hereafter and 2) how much you expect God to sort things out in the best way possible (including possibilities that we might not even be able to fathom in our current state).
I don’t believe monogamy will be the situation for everyone, and I don’t believe polygamy will be the situation for everyone. I think the FACT that people can love multiple spouses deeply and equally is a great argument against the rejection of polygamy as a conceptual framework for the next life and that such a conceptual framework is a great comfort to many who have loved multiple spouses deeply and equally – but I don’t believe either monogamy or polygamy is a “universal default”. As I’ve said in other threads, I LOVE the concept and principle of eternal marriage, and I am passionate about being with my wife forever – but I also believe in a “council of the gods” and “non-sexual creation” framework that, imo, has the ability to make most of our mortal hangups about marriage, sexual relationships, sexual orientation and so much more essentially irrelevant in the eternities.
i remember the wife of my stake president shocked me by saying, “there are going to be a lot of surprises up there…” i am convinced we have no clue as to what lies beyond.
Quote:“there are going to be a lot of surprises up there…”
+1
and I love that it was said by a Stake President’s wife. That’s just one more example that there are so many members who see things differently than we might assume without getting to know them more intimately.
wayfarer wrote:i remember the wife of my stake president shocked me by saying, “there are going to be a lot of surprises up there…”
i am convinced we have no clue as to what lies beyond.
That is soooo how I see it, Wayfarer. And when I think about how many surprises there will be, I’m not sure it is worth my time now worrying and stressing about stuff that may be drastically different than we can even imagine it now, like Ray said how hard sexual relationships are for me to think through in any other format than monogamy, and yet…it may not even be an issue.In other words, if a teaching feels good and right to me, I hang on to it tightly. If it is confusing and feels wrong, I keep studying or let it go because the fact is, we don’t know how it will work. Some people really want certainty and really like to think they know, but we just don’t know.
I sure like my family. We like getting together and having reunions and emailing and calling and staying in touch. My dad has been deceased for several years now. I like to hold on to the idea of eternal family relationships that go beyond this life, and I look forward to seeing him again. But, expecting the next life to have marriages like we have in this life with houses and yards and streets paved with gold for horse carriages or cars…
:problem: – some stuff I just let go of, and stick to the idea I hope for continuation of the relationships that work in that setting (whatever the next life is like) and hope we’re happy. Until I learn it the way my dad is learning it now…I just work on trying to make the relationships in this life as good as they can be why I still have time with my teen age kids that are growing up way too fast.Polygamy as an eternal doctrine is not only difficult to understand, it is difficult to find absolute proof we teach it as a doctrine. I fall more with Pres Hinckley who said (on another subject, but fits perfectly for what we’ve taught about polygamy in our church):
Quote:I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it. I haven’t heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don’t know. I don’t know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don’t know a lot about it and I don’t know that others know a lot about it.
Perhaps faith boils down to “trust”. Not trust in the arm of flesh, of earthly leaders, but rather in a god of infinite, unconditional love. wayfarer wrote:Perhaps faith boils down to “trust”. Not trust in the arm of flesh, of earthly leaders, but rather in a god of infinite, unconditional love.
Read this comment and broke out with a spontaneous, “Booya!!!” That is exactly where I place my trust… in the hands of my loving Father God.
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