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October 15, 2012 at 5:45 am #207123
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GuestHi Everyone – I have been a lurker out here for a long time. Been going through a faith struggle…seems like a crisis sometimes, but I am learning to live with uncertainty and seeing things that used to be so black and white in different ways… Bursting the gospel bubble is a very painful, heart-wrenching thing for me. I am not 100% sure where I stand on so many things, but am trying to keep it together. Anyhow, I was called by the stake presidency and am meeting with them here soon – pretty sure they want to extend me a calling…I am just unsure if I can really (or should) accept a calling…I am curious if anyone can share how they have dealt with their callings while in a faith transition. I am pretty sure I will be called to be in the EQP (for reasons I won’t share, to keep my anonymity here), and am having a hard time thinking about leading the quorum when I am struggling with my testimony so much. On the other hand, I really feel like I need a way to serve and would love to get to know people in the ward better (just moved to this ward and don’t know anyone yet). What do you all think? I’m sure some of you have dealt with this before…how do you lead effectively during a faith crisis without being dishonest or coming out of the closet so to speak with your situation? I want to serve, but I don’t want to lie or put on an act…
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated – thanks!
October 15, 2012 at 8:08 am #260697Anonymous
GuestAt the moment I’m still making adjustments. You could probably accept your new calling. Everyone’s different in their faith struggles and how they deal with them. What’s helped me with accepting calling with my faith struggles is realizing that nobody’s perfect, only God is. Anyway, you’ve come to the right place to talk about these things. October 15, 2012 at 10:05 am #260698Anonymous
GuestI am in the RSP in my ward. Our ward is small and desperatly needs help so I accepted. I try to focus on serving the ward members and focus on things I do believe in. Kind of like the missionaries are taught to start from shared beliefs.
October 15, 2012 at 2:37 pm #260699Anonymous
GuestI have done both. I turned down a teaching calling, because I didn’t feel like I could honestly ‘testify’. At that time I chose to be very forthright with the bishopric counselor about the reasons. That may or may not be right for you, depending on what you think the repercussions might be. I have accepted other callings, such as ward chorister, that don’t make such demands. The path is not easy, but one of the positives for me has been taking control of my life, realizing (my opinion) that the pressure of a ‘calling’ is something that is systematically brainwashed into us from a young age and is done primarily as a means of manipulation, and was something that caused a lot of unhappiness (aka feelings of powerlessness) in my life. By taking control of these situations, I have become a lot happier.
October 15, 2012 at 2:51 pm #260700Anonymous
GuestI have turned down some callings – despite the cultural “no no” that that is. Yet, I have accepted most callings, including teaching.
I have explained to the bishop about some belief changes but that my husband & I have agreed to continue taking our children to church & help as we can.
We pay tithing to those in need instead of to the church, so I don’t have a temple recommend, & that limits some callings.
I believe life’s goal/purpose is to learn to love others as ourselves better.
Belonging to an organization like the LDS church is more convenient in giving me opportunities to learn to love, than in finding myself, at least at this time in my life. I do think that no matter what organization I join, there are going to be some aspects of the organization that don’t jive with me. Sometimes I feel kindof torn – between teaching something the church believes & teaching what I believe. That has been tough – especially when I’ve worked with people who magnified their calling of “super-vision” of me. Yet, when I’ve had more laid back people I work with, it’s been fine. I just try to focus on what we have in common – basic truths – & the spirit of love – trying to let those I work with feel my love.
Good luck whatever you decide!
October 15, 2012 at 3:23 pm #260701Anonymous
GuestI agree with what’s been said so far. One of the things that helped me when I have taught primary, Gospel Doctrine and YM is to have boundaries about what I will teach and what I will say about it. For example, I taught primary when the NT was the subject, but when the following year was to be BofM, I requested and received a release. If I’m teaching something that is church history related, I might focus on things like the sacrifice that people made and what we can learn from that. Sometimes I will use special phrasing, like “our doctrine teaches that…” instead of teaching it like I’m the one saying it. As a YM adviser/teacher, I focused on helping the YM grow up and become independent, capable people. The thing is, there is much good in the doctrines, history, and organizations of the church. It’s really pretty easy for me to compartmentalize. In and EQ Presidency, you are going to focus a lot on the quorum’s well-being… there is nothing wrong with that, and there is a great amount of personal satisfaction that you can gain. If you choose, you can let the teachers do the teaching, and concentrate on administration. One good thing that can come from stepping up is that in a faith transition, it’s more that just your belief, but also your way of being, that is under attack. Separating out the two is an approach that works for many, and they continue to be great home/visiting teachers, and have callings wherein they volunteer their time and talents for the benefit of other members, etc.
At the same time, I completely understand where you are coming from, and I have been there myself. There is a sense of not wanting to be lying or to be hypocritical. The balance is very individual. You have to be comfortable with it, or frankly, you might find that you are more of a hindrance than a help. There is nothing wrong with turning it down. There’s nothing wrong with turning it down for now while you find your place in the church.
October 15, 2012 at 3:46 pm #260702Anonymous
GuestI know that a major undercurrent for people in this situation is how much to confide in the bishop or SP about your faith crisis. Many advocate being frank and forthcoming, others advocate avoiding the topic. There are valid reasons on both sides. You have to decide if you are willing to accept the calling, just to avoid letting the SP know, which, IMO, would be a bad thing to do, and a disservice to the people you will interact with. You have to decide if you are willing to say ‘no’ without an explanation. You have to decide if you want to talk to the SP about your crisis. Either way, I suggest you decide all these things before you talk to him. The downside to being completely honest about your position is that you might suddenly find yourself not able to attend the temple, baptize your children, have a calling you might otherwise love, etc. Many feel that they love going to the temple, and don’t think it is the responsibility of the bishop to decide that they can’t go, so they nuance their interactions with these people in authority. I decided to talk to my bishop about it, and since my faith crisis, I’ve had four bishops, some of whom have allowed me to perform priesthood ordinances, others that have not. I’ve had some that treated me very kindly and others that kind of acted like they couldn’t figure me out. So, that illustrates the fallout from being truthful with them.
The downside for not being open with your bishop or SP, is purely personal. Are you comfortable living a sort of shadow life so that you can enjoy all the benefits of the parts of the gospel that you choose to enjoy? This is what I couldn’t quite get past, so I’ve chosen to be up-front with them. But I think the decision has to be yours, and you should make it with your eyes open.
October 15, 2012 at 5:13 pm #260703Anonymous
GuestRemember that you may be of more service to people because you are not unquestioning. Certainly there will be many quorum members who have doubted. I think there’s a reason one of the original 12 was a doubter. Even Jesus didn’t shy away from those with doubts and struggles. October 15, 2012 at 6:04 pm #260704Anonymous
GuestI’ve gone both ways with this at times: sometimes taking the callings and sometimes not. I think it depends on how much it bothers you to be different. It doesn’t bother me that much, and I like to focus on the practical, and also on things I share with people instead of the differences. If you can manage it, I agree with the others — you may very well be more of a blessing to others than you suspect. The church needs more folks “keeping it real” in higher profile positions.
October 15, 2012 at 6:20 pm #260705Anonymous
GuestHaving some of the same concerns as you, I’ve adopted the approach of thinking that the church needs people who are willing to do their duty while at the same time not blindly following our leaders. I think I can be of more service to my family and ward members by serving in a leadership calling and trying to have an open mind. If I refused or if the SP changed his mind based on my imperfect description of my questions then the next in line may be less able to serve in a loving, thoughtful way. In a very tangible way that could impact the experiences my family has. It may also depend on the SP or SP counselor who extends the calling. If I were a SP extending the calling of bishop for example, I would want the callee to re-evaluate themselves and say – you know I have to think about this. I know several bishops and EQP who have said they have to think about it first. Seems like an honest approach to me. I believe my SP would be supportive if I said “I need to gain my own testimony of this calling before I accept”. However, if I said it to the ex-military, very traditional counselor to the SP, he’d probably have a negative reaction.
Not that we have to tailor our responses to every single person and scenario, but I personally see no need to spill all my doubts to anyone besides my wife. The SP probably doesn’t have the time or knowledge to address something that’s deeply personal anyways. If you accept the premise that Heavenly Father is extending the calling to you, He undoubtably knows about your doubts and wants the calling to be extended to you. If it’s not quite that crystal clear and you believe there is a level of human influence while deciding who gets the calling, then it seems reasonable to have human doubts.
October 15, 2012 at 8:41 pm #260696Anonymous
GuestI believe if someone calls me to a position of any kind, they are getting ME. I then am me in the calling. Granted, I’m not the blunt me in most callings, but I’m still me. I still share unorthodox views now and then, and I still phrase things carefully to make sure I’m consistent with my own conscience – but I’ve served in callings throughout the wards and stakes in which I’ve lived over multiple decades now.
Frankly, the EQP might be one of the easiest callings in the Church for someone who is heterodox in some way. The lessons are with adults that can be organized around questions and discussions, and the main focus is service as much as doctrine. If you can let the numbers aspect of HT reporting roll off your back and just focus on the people themselves, and also maintain your needed personal and family time (the way it’s supposed to be), it can be a wonderful calling.
It’s up to you, but if they call you, they get YOU. Remember and hold on to that.
October 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm #260706Anonymous
GuestYou guys are awesome. I really appreciate your support here. Thanks for lending your time and responding to this. I decided I am going to accept whatever calling is extended. I have pondered this over the weekend and even more considering your feedback here.
I have to add to this story some experiences I have had. When I first was in the thick of my crisis, I was in the bishopric, and was having an incredibly hard time. I had not, and still have not, confided in anyone about my faith transition. I was always asked to bare testimony and share spiritual thoughts without any notice – which before the crisis would have been no problem, but when sitting in bishopric meeting or in other meetings it became very hard for me…I just was not feeling it. I was in a dark place and really struggling. I felt like the spirit had abandoned me and I just could not for the life of me share a spiritual experience…I felt like I was so far away from the spirit, and so different than others in the ward. This went on for a couple years. Over the summer, we relocated to an area with a much smaller church population, and an even smaller active one. We visited the new ward, even before we moved here, while looking around at houses. The first time I attended Sac. Mtg here, I had a very special experience. I felt the Spirit for the first time in many, many months. I felt a very strong, very personal message – almost a tangible voice, that this is where I needed to be. That the Lord had something here for me to do, and this would be a major part in me becoming whole again. I don’t think I will ever be the same as I was…the RM TBM, black and white view on things…but I feel that I am meant to be here and to serve, and this will help me get to the next stage in my faith transition. Does that make sense? I feel like this ward is smaller, and it is a place where I can make a difference and can come to terms with my faith…and serve others! This is so important to me… Anyhow – for this reason, I moved my family across the country and settled here. No change in job, just a feeling that we needed to move. We are here now, for the past few months, and now things are starting to happen that are meant to be. Financially this has been a huge cost…but I feel strongly that this is where I need to be…and over time the financial issue will work itself out.
Anyhow – remembering back to a few months ago when I had this spiritual experience, makes me even more so want to accept. I think this is something the Lord has for me – and will help me along my path. I am not planning to disclose to anyone my personal struggle, I can walk the line, and I am starting to feel the spirit again.
I’ll let you know how this works out, I appreciate your support here so much. I am sure I’ll have more questions…like how to bare an unorthodox testimony, without tipping everyone off to how you are just a bit different
October 15, 2012 at 11:59 pm #260707Anonymous
GuestFwiw, minus the specific faith crisis aspect, I have done exactly what you describe – move my family cross-country following what I felt I should do for my family more than for myself. I’ve done it more than once, and every time there has been something that was hard to understand in the moment – but, every time, after some time in hindsight, I have understood why we needed to be where we were. Almost none of those reasons ended up being about career advancement nearly as much as personal growth for me and/or someone else in the family – and it usually was someone else in the family. My own growth has been more cumulative as a combination of what I’ve learned in each place.
October 16, 2012 at 11:40 am #260708Anonymous
GuestI find dissent is a lot more accepted in the church then we first think… obviously there is a line, but it is further off then we usually expect in the church. October 16, 2012 at 4:24 pm #260709Anonymous
GuestQuote:I am pretty sure I will be called to be in the EQP (for reasons I won’t share, to keep my anonymity here), and am having a hard time thinking about leading the quorum when I am struggling with my testimony so much. On the other hand, I really feel like I need a way to serve and would love to get to know people in the ward better
Think of it another way. Because you are like this, you won’t be a smug TBM type, and you will understand the real problems facing many elders. And that’s good. I hope you can inspire them, and help them in the gospel.
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