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October 23, 2012 at 4:42 am #207142
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GuestI was not sure if I should post this in the support or general discussion section so I apologize if I messed up. I don’t share all that much here so I will give a quick update/background. About two years ago a bunch of things that bothered me about the church blew up in my face. I felt really angry and betrayed. I lost all my beliefs. To this day I don’t have much belief. All I have is hope/faith and a lot of uncertainty. In general I feel less volatile when it comes to things about church. A majority of the time I feel ok knowing I may never find any answers to all the questions I have. Now on to why I am writing this post in the first place. After general conference there were a few talks that just…oh how to put it…re-opened some wounds. I sat down with my husband and said, “I feel like I am clutching a double edge sword. If I leave the church I will be hurt badly. If I stay I will be hurt. I don’t know what to do.” After taking a break from StayLDS and other websites I have found that I definitely want to stay. It’s difficult to say why, but part of me doesn’t want to give up. One thing I realized is something needs to change to make it so church is not so painful. One thing I want to try is to get myself more involved in church and to be able to serve others. For nearly three years I have been mostly silent and have hardly participated except for callings like VT supervisor. For whatever reason I value being able to share my ideas and experiences. How can I participate in church? How can I be authentic and still be respectful of people who are not ready to have the boat rocked? How do I teach/participate without feeling like I am lying, but not subjecting people to a faith crisis?
Before I end my post I just want to say thank you to all the people on StayLDS. All the posts I have read have been very helpful during this tumultuous journey.
October 23, 2012 at 4:54 am #260980Anonymous
GuestCould you try just viewing the church as a social club and ignore the stuff you don’t like? How about limiting your LDS exposure? Perhaps an easy on Sunday only calling? Missing a Sunday service every once and awhile can help too! Also, to avoid rocking the boat I wouldn’t express your doubts to everyone. It can blow up in your face. Besides your husband, I don’t think you owe anyone an explanation. In the Godfather part 2, Don Corleone said, “Never let anyone know what you are thinking.” IMHO, it’s good advice at church too.
Good luck with whatever you do!
October 23, 2012 at 4:59 am #260981Anonymous
GuestMy advice: When you go to church, lay down your life for that short time period and step into Jesus’ ministry. Start going primarily to find ways to serve people, not to be instructed. You can get the instruction you need outside of church, so whatever you get in church will be an unexpected bonus. I promise, there are lots of people who need to be served at any given time – far more, I’m certain, than need to be taught.
Focus on being the servant first (a savior to others) and be the student whenever that happens naturally.
It really can change the life you lay down when you leave your house each Sunday.
October 23, 2012 at 11:45 am #260982Anonymous
Guestwhat ray said… plus… I think of going to the LDS church the same way I think about going to a synagogue or a mosque. When in a temple of a given tradition, we speak in the language of that tradition, and don’t bring forward things that don’t fit — it’s just respectful that way. If I’m in a synagogue, I don’t bring up Jesus Christ or non-Jewish teachings — I stick to the acceptable stories in the TANAKH (Old Testament), and particularly, the traditional rabbinical/talmudic interpretations of those teachings. It’s refreshing, because in so doing, we are able to communicate without hesitation.
When I walk into an LDS church, there are certain things we don’t talk about. This isn’t being inauthentic, it’s simply a reality — people don’t come to church to be challenged, but rather, to be edified. They’re feeding on the milk they expect in an LDS church. While it may be possible to throw in a little meat, one can only do a little.
October 23, 2012 at 1:53 pm #260983Anonymous
GuestThere are great places to serve in the church, places you can really make a Christ-like difference in the lives of others, that do NOT require constant testifying and teaching of Mormon culture or speculative beliefs. Here are places I have found a lot of meaning:
1. Nursery
This was a FANTASTIC place where I was able to hide out for nearly a decade. I just stayed in there either officially with the calling, or unofficially as a “helicopter parent” watching whatever child of ours was in that age range (talking to the other parents and helping a little with the kids).
Lessons? 5 minutes tops. You talk about Jesus and being nice to everyone. Eat snacks and then play with toys for the rest of the time.
2. Scouts
All the lessons are about basic Christian moral values or outdoors skills. IMO, one of the most underrated callings for men. I got to hang out with the boys, play with fire and knives and everything their moms told them was too dangerous, burb, eat junk food and occasionally go camping. It was also a great way to mentor some of the boys who didn’t have a father in the home.
3. Service projects
Mowing an older sister’s lawn on a regular basis. Helping with moves. Bringing food to people. Helping at the Bishop’s Storehouse. These are all rewarding activities that connected me to my ward community, didn’t require any level of belief really, and all made a REAL difference in someone’s life — feeding the poor and hungry, helping the widows and orphans. Can’t find much wrong with that!
4. Home Teaching / Visiting Teaching
Look for families or people who really need support. Ask to be their VT/HT. You’d be surprised how often “The Spirit” gives leaders promptings to give you a calling you ask for, especially when it’s for someone they are already concerned about.
One of my best Home-Teaching routes ever was when I was assigned a large list of inactive or do-not-contact folks in the ward. For almost two years, I had about 35 people on my “route.” The local leadership loved having the boost in HT numbers by counting these as visits. I wrote a nice letter every month that just contained a simple, uplifting Christian/Spiritual message. I really put my heart into it and prayed for the people on my route. I printed out labels and mailed them all the letter. Most probably ended up in the waste basket with the other junk mail. That was fine. A few people reached out to call me and thanked me for sending the letters, even though they still didn’t want to come to church. That was fine too.
Those are some examples and suggestions.
October 23, 2012 at 11:34 pm #260984Anonymous
Guestbrian, not to mentionmusic callings… October 25, 2012 at 12:34 am #260985Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:Start going primarily to find ways to serve people, not to be instructed. You can get the instruction you need outside of church, so whatever you get in church will be an unexpected bonus. I promise, there are lots of people who need to be served at any given time – far more, I’m certain, than need to be taught.
A BIG +1 to this.
Quite a while back I stopped viewing going to Church on Sunday as a chance for me to be edified. Instead, I go to serve. I look at the whole Church that way now. God didn’t give me the Church as a way for me to be taught. He gave me the Church as a vehicle for me to learn to serve others. As Brian said, I’ve had an amazing time serving in the Primary, Nursery and now in a little more high-profile calling, but they’re all just the same thing – a chance for me to learn to be a little less selfish with my time and focus on others a bit. I’ve still got a lot of learning to do in this regard.
October 25, 2012 at 1:18 pm #260986Anonymous
Guestwayfarer wrote:brian, not to mentionmusic callings…
Oh yes. Totally! I never think of that because I can’t sing. But that is a great idea!
At least in the “mission field” wards I have always attended, you could pretty much cut any deal you want if you agreed to play piano or organ. They are always desperate for those folks.
October 25, 2012 at 6:12 pm #260987Anonymous
GuestBrian Johnston wrote:wayfarer wrote:brian, not to mentionmusic callings…
At least in the “mission field” wards I have always attended, you could pretty much cut any deal you want if you agreed to play piano or organ. They are always desperate for those folks.Yeah, but watch out if you don’t. There was a sister in our ward that had a degree in piano performance. She told the bishop right off she didn’t want a music calling, because she wanted a chance to learn and grow from callings, and frankly music callings didn’t do it for her. So they put her in the nursery (which is the most underrated calling in the church) and as ward camp director.
October 25, 2012 at 11:37 pm #260988Anonymous
GuestThank you everyone for your ideas. Everyone is right about looking at church as a way to serve rather than be edified. I guess part of me is still sad that I don’t find church as uplifting as I once did. I also know that it is unwise to express doubts. I just get tired of feeling like if I can’t say, “I know god lives” then I can’t say anything at all. I want to be able to speak and feel like I’m being honest without being too open about my situation. Perhaps I am wanting something that won’t happen. I guess I am still unsure of how to serve in some callings. For example if I were called to serve in the primary how do I handle some of the lessons I feel may be disingenuous? I also understand wayferer’s comment about
Quote:When in a temple of a given tradition, we speak in the language of that tradition, and don’t bring forward things that don’t fit — it’s just respectful that way.
I am ok doing that. I guess there are some messages I feel are unhealthy. Is it wrong for me to offer another viewpoint? Sadly I almost think it would be easier to do callings around adults. All you need to do is direct discussion and you can easily get away with never saying your opinion.
October 26, 2012 at 3:22 am #260989Anonymous
GuestHi – You’ve had some great answers here. In the area of callings – I would suggest working lessons around Christ. Kids especially will have no idea if you always talk about Jesus or his teachings. With Christ being the cornerstone of our faith – the topic is always correct. Use a parable or select one teaching, and build on it. With youth you can do the same. As for being uplifted during services, bring a devotional book or print some of your favorite conference talks, bring them read them, take personal notes on them. I always carry a stack of 3×5 cards with uplifting quotes on them. Quietly, privately I file through them and let them and their words uplift me. I also carry Max Lucado’s hand held devotional book or Elder Uchdorf’s book about the value of women. Those reflect my spirituality and faith. They aren’t material that could cause conflict and I enjoy the meetings much better.
I always keep them with me, the minute uncomfortable topics come up, I grab them. Sometimes I just stare at them till I calm down or other times I just let their hope engulf me. Before I know it – my worship has been fulfilling.
October 26, 2012 at 4:27 am #260990Anonymous
GuestRecently I’ve been going out with the FT missionaries on appointments. It has been interesting to hear questions from investigators. It has been along time since I’ve done that.
There is a special spirit about actively doing this work again.
The way I answer their questions are different than the way missionaries answer them.
I don’t recommend this activity for everyone.
You have to set some limits with the missionaries too. They would call me every day if I let them.
Missionary work has changed alot in 20+ years. For example, there are no Stake missionaries in our ward anymore.
Back in the day, we not only had SM but 70’s who did this work too.
Is this common to have no Stake missionaries in Wards & Branches?
Mike from Milton.
October 26, 2012 at 4:34 am #260991Anonymous
GuestStake missions were eliminated a few years ago. The local mission structure was consolidated at the ward and branch level. October 26, 2012 at 9:40 pm #260992Anonymous
GuestQuote:If I leave the church I will be hurt badly. If I stay I will be hurt. I don’t know what to do.” After taking a break from StayLDS and other websites I have found that I definitely want to stay. It’s difficult to say why, but part of me doesn’t want to give up. One thing I realized is something needs to change to make it so church is not so painful.
I like this part of your Original Post.
It makes me think of
speech that I’ve always liked. In it she says that after going through a stage of honeymoon phase, power struggle, and withdrawal phases…we may be ready to try to reconnect because…Wendy Ulrich’s
Quote:We come to accept our spouse or our parents or the Church, and we come to accept ourselves. We allow God to run the universe, and we become more content to let go of things we cannot change. A deeper, more mature love begins to emerge, with fewer power struggles and less disengagement. We do not need to see all the answers, and we do not need perfection by our standards in order to not be embarrassed or ashamed of our Church, our partner, or our God.
We reinvest in the relationship, not because we have decided to risk yet one more time that we will not get hurt only to have the rug pulled out yet one more time from under us, but because we have learned that hurt can be survived, that this is a risk worth taking, and that it does not mean we cannot be happy or that we are irrational suckers or that we are doomed to failure because we take another chance on trust or because we fail or are failed again. We see ourselves and our partner more realistically, and we do not run from either vision. We recognize that we can be hurt by being betrayed or we can be hurt by not trusting, but we don’t get the no-hurt choice because there isn’t one, at least not until we simply choose not to read betrayal into every ecclesiastical failure, or abandonment into every unanswered prayer. When you realize you don’t have a choice that includes the “no pain” scenario…then the best of two imperfect scenarios becomes your best choice, and can be worthwhile rather than waiting endlessly for the perfect scenario. Then, you can stay on your terms…and own your religion.
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October 27, 2012 at 4:22 am #260993Anonymous
GuestQuote:by Heber13
It makes me think of Wendy Ulrich’s speech that I’ve always liked. In it she says that after going through a stage of honeymoon phase, power struggle, and withdrawal phases…we may be ready to try to reconnect because…
We come to accept our spouse or our parents or the Church, and we come to accept ourselves. We allow God to run the universe, and we become more content to let go of things we cannot change. A deeper, more mature love begins to emerge, with fewer power struggles and less disengagement. We do not need to see all the answers, and we do not need perfection by our standards in order to not be embarrassed or ashamed of our Church, our partner, or our God. We reinvest in the relationship, not because we have decided to risk yet one more time that we will not get hurt only to have the rug pulled out yet one more time from under us, but because we have learned that hurt can be survived, that this is a risk worth taking, and that it does not mean we cannot be happy or that we are irrational suckers or that we are doomed to failure because we take another chance on trust or because we fail or are failed again. We see ourselves and our partner more realistically, and we do not run from either vision. We recognize that we can be hurt by being betrayed or we can be hurt by not trusting, but we don’t get the no-hurt choice because there isn’t one, at least not until we simply choose not to read betrayal into every ecclesiastical failure, or abandonment into every unanswered prayer.
When you realize you don’t have a choice that includes the “no pain” scenario…then the best of two imperfect scenarios becomes your best choice, and can be worthwhile rather than waiting endlessly for the perfect scenario. Then, you can stay on your terms…and own your religion.
This was very mind blowing for me to read. It really struck me how my relationship with the church can definitely be compared to my relationships with other people and myself. For the last few years I have been working on overcoming some of my own personal baggage that has caused lots of problems in my life. As I have become healthier I have found myself becoming more accepting of other people and a bit more accepting of myself. It will be interesting to apply the same techniques I have used with myself and others towards the church. I really was struck by this quote, “We reinvest in the relationship, not because we have decided to risk yet one more time that we will not get hurt only to have the rug pulled out yet one more time from under us, but because we have learned that hurt can be survived, that this is a risk worth taking” Even though there has been some extreme hurt there has been a lot of good in my relationship with the church. I will definitely read the rest of Wendy’s speech.
As much as I have come a long ways from the time I first introduced myself on this site there is still a long journey ahead of me. It has not been that long since the start of my faith crisis. I still am struggling with wanting answers. Part of me is really hoping I can determine what is exactly true and false (which is part of stage 4 if I understand that correctly). This isn’t fully a stage thing either, it really runs in my personality to understand things fully and to have things perfect/right. So not only am I going through a stage that is seeking to correct my disillusionment, but my personality is screaming at me to figure it out so the dissonance goes away. Sigh. This doesn’t help at all with figuring out how to participate. Well at least I have the rest of my life to figure it out. I can look at it as a fun/obnoxious puzzle
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