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November 16, 2012 at 12:21 am #207190
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GuestI have been lurking the forum for a month or so and thought it was time to introduce myself. I am a lifelong member with a brief, but intense, period of post high school inactivity where I was anti in a purely emotional (no intelectual foundation) kind of way. Other than that I was raised in a typical LDS family with an all or nothing, never question the official story attitude. I bought into this, despite a skeptical view to the rest of the world in general.
In my pre-marriage years I had a convert girlfriend that challenged my (standard LDS) views on gays that were prejudiced and homophobic. This was a good start for me to start thinking outside the box. Especially given the experience a few years later when my brother that we were all in denial about came out of the closet.
A number of years ago I picked up and read “Under The Banner Of Heaven” followed a couple of years later by most of Rough Stone Rolling. Both of these books started opening my eyes to the complexity of our collective history and helped me to come to terms with the idea of leaders who despite being called of God are imperfect. I mulled on this for a couple of years.
During my time of mulling my wife and I took a weekend trip to the Cardston temple, a few hours drive from our house in which we both felt inspired to sell our home and move to the West Coast of Canada. As we started to move, we had lots of obstacles and began to question the validity of our inspiration. Moving West had always been one of my goals so maybe we were just manifesting good feeling based on personal desires. (?)
After a year after our move I still had not secured sufficient work, despite lots of resumes, fasting, prayers. I began to question the intricacies of how the spirit works and the validity of expecting God to bless my life. My thoughts were as follows. If 2 people are praying to get a job, how does God decide who gets the job and why wasn’t I that person? After all I was part of his favorite church. Basically I started to question the idea of God intervening in our lives. If he does that complicates things. Questions like how does he choose to cure a 50 year old man of brain cancer while letting a young mother of 2 die doesn’t add up and answers like “We can’t understand the way God works” seem shallow and meaningless.
So I stopped praying for things. I still say prayers of thanks, which is strange given my reasons for not asking for blessings. After a few months I finally landed a 1 year contract for my dream job. I gave a prayer of thanks.
I have spent a lot of time over the past year thinking about what the church means to me. How the church is different from the gospel. Discovering this site has been really helpful. After some experiences at church where I feel marginalized, I don’t feel like an island anymore. Articles like “How to Stay…” “What is Official Mormon Doctrine?” And “What the Church Means To People Like Me” are amazing. John Dehlin and the Mormon Stories podcast are a godsend. I wish I could share this with everyone, but I realize that it isn’t for everyone.
Luckily, my wife approached me a couple months ago with lots of the same concerns that I have. We both have huge issues with the treatment of Gay members among other historical issues. I feel so lucky to have a wife on the same road as me. I believe that there is something distinct about this church, I like having it in my live, despite the lack of connection to the people I see on Sunday. I don’t really buy into the exclusivity of the church, but I see value in it.
Anyways, I am not really looking for answers. I am sure some of my views on issues will come out in more details as I participate in this forum. I don’t necessarily feel like I am in a faith crisis as much as an evolution, or shedding of skins. I really look forward to connecting with the rest of you.
November 16, 2012 at 4:23 am #261650Anonymous
GuestWelcome! It sounds like you have indeed been blessed! November 16, 2012 at 7:44 am #261651Anonymous
Guestihhi wrote:I have been lurking the forum for a month or so and thought it was time to introduce myself.
After a year after our move I still had not secured sufficient work, despite lots of resumes, fasting, prayers. I began to question the intricacies of how the spirit works and the validity of expecting God to bless my life. My thoughts were as follows. If 2 people are praying to get a job, how does God decide who gets the job and why wasn’t I that person? After all I was part of his favorite church. Basically I started to question the idea of God intervening in our lives. If he does that complicates things. Questions like how does he choose to cure a 50 year old man of brain cancer while letting a young mother of 2 die doesn’t add up and answers like “We can’t understand the way God works” seem shallow and meaningless.
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Welcome from another newbie. I am Jealous of you having a wife in the same place as you. My wife is a true believer and doesn’t like change much. Took her a decade of marriage to get the nerve to eat broccoli (There were two coooked vegetables where she grew up…canned corn and canned beans…well and occasional corn on the cob). To be honest I wouldn’t want to take it away from her …i am mostly jealous…but it would be nice to be in the same place with someone. Have a good friend in the ward I can chat with about stuff like this though so i get by.
I identified with your statement about Gods direct involvement in our lives. I have come to believe in inspiration and spiritual encouragement in regards to some worldly things (more like….yeah…you can do that and survive) generally when we seek him out….but I think that unless there is a special reason (not sure what would qualify here)….that he mostly lets things go..free agency right? If God was helping out some of us and not others then it wouldn’t really be fair right? Football games would last forever waiting for one side to get substantially more prayers than the other…
Why do bad things happen to good people? Because we all get to make choices and we live with those choices….and sometimes we get to live with the results of other peoples bad choices…sucks but it comes with the whole free agency thing.
November 16, 2012 at 8:03 am #261652Anonymous
GuestWelcome to this community. It has been a great blessing and godsend for me too. Quote:So I stopped praying for things. I still say prayers of thanks, which is strange given my reasons for not asking for blessings. After a few months I finally landed a 1 year contract for my dream job. I gave a prayer of thanks.
I have come to the same conclusion for the most part. I do pray for help in becoming a better me and having some type of inspiration but I don’t ask for things.
Quote:Discovering this site has been really helpful. After some experiences at church where I feel marginalized, I don’t feel like an island anymore. Articles like “How to Stay…” “What is Official Mormon Doctrine?” And “What the Church Means To People Like Me” are amazing. John Dehlin and the Mormon Stories podcast are a godsend. I wish I could share this with everyone, but I realize that it isn’t for everyone.
I couldn’t agree more.
Quote:I don’t necessarily feel like I am in a faith crisis as much as an evolution, or shedding of skins. I really look forward to connecting with the rest of you.
You are lucky your wife shares your concerns or al least respects your concerns. This issues really did turn my faith into a crisis and it has been very hard and trying but I’m happy that you view it more as an evolution. Welcome and please continue to share with us.
November 16, 2012 at 2:00 pm #261653Anonymous
GuestWelcome! Setting aside the mythical god of make believe does not mean there is nothing out there. It does make what is “in here” more important.
I find the wonder in the idea that we are all connected and interdependent. We communicate and connect to each other in ways we don’t fully understand, yet uplift and edify.
In a sense, we are like nodes in a divine network: how we interface with that network is up to us. For some, they choose to interact as if the network is really a god out there with individual, unique consciousness. Others choose to cut themselves off, because they think there is no god. I choose the middle, to think of how I connect with others as a divine purpose. When I am in tune with others’ needs, then I can serve them through this network– and to them, in that moment of answering their prayer, I can be god to them, if they need to think of help and answers to prayers as evidence of god.
November 16, 2012 at 5:24 pm #261654Anonymous
GuestI was just thinking a bit more about my comment of how God will heal brain cancer in one peson and let another, arguably more deserving, person die. Johnh mentioned that God lets bad things happen to good people because people have their agency. I get that. In fact to take it further, I don”t believe that God gives us trials or punishments, I believe he lets them happen to us. It is along these lines that things get complex for me. I am not sure that he will intervene and rescue us from our trials. If that were the case there would be clear cut favouritism that doesn’t add up.
I recently listened to this great podcast talking about
. It gives some great insight into Job’s story and how narrow of a scope most of us have been given on this story.good things happening to bad peopleNovember 16, 2012 at 5:58 pm #261655Anonymous
GuestTom Hawes, and old-timers from this site, was fond of comparing us and this site to the Island of misfit toys.I do so love analogy.
Welcome.
November 17, 2012 at 10:59 pm #261656Anonymous
GuestHi, and welcome to the forum. I’ve not much more to add, but I’m glad for you that you and your wife are on a similar path. It can make for a rocky road otherwise. November 17, 2012 at 11:19 pm #261657Anonymous
GuestAs I said in the other current intro post, I don’t have much time, but I do want to welcome you. We aren’t about convincing anyone of anything here – just helping each other work out our pathways.
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