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  • #207238
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    Has anyone heard about this?

    There is a facebook group advocating that women wear dress slacks to church.

    Their purposes seem to vary a little bit from person to person, but the idea seems to be to call attention to gender inequality within the church.

    (I was actually coming to post about this, then read Wayfarer’s thread about tithing settlement, interesting)

    #262451
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    There’s at least one sister here who wears them every Sunday, albeit as part of a very smart lady’s suit. Another occasional attender wears them too.

    Another younger sister wears jeans on a regular basis.

    I will say one thing about long skirts though… I think they are much more flattering to women of certain proportions than pants are. They make some women’s backsides and legs look fat. Some men too perhaps though.

    #262452
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    See, that’s the funny thing. I would happily wear pants to church just because I don’t have a problem with it.

    However, this FB group is pretty popular in some circles, but doesn’t really have clear motives, now I’m considering not because I’m not clear what “statement” people would think I was making.

    MY statement is “Here are these pants, they are clean, dressy, and warmer than my skirt, I can’t imagine why you care, but there you go.”

    #262453
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    But they’re still not very flattering to women of larger proportions, IMHO.

    Can’t we promote a “wear a kilt” to church day for the priesthood? The Polynesians, Greeks and Scots in the church could certainly dig that.

    Now, you see this is smart… maybe a little too much facial hair, but a nice white shirt. And quite modest too…

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Spiridon_louis.jpg[/img]

    #262450
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    There is a good discussion on NOM right now dealing with this issue.

    The Facebook group is trying to point out the disparity of the sexes within the church…gender inequality.

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    #262454
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    Women have a lot more leeway in what they can wear to church than us men. Women can turn up in various different clothes, but we’re much more limited, apart from waistcoats and ties perhaps. We have to wear boring suits, and white shirts.

    We’re not allowed to wear regional/national costume either. I know this isn’t an issue in the States, but it is elsewhere.

    In our ward, it’s the women who are colorful. One lady wears a rainbow sweater, for example. The men, on the other hand, wear different shades of gray. Maybe a pinstripe… I was bringing a single mom and her daughters to church once, and the young girl said to her mother, “It’s like Men in Black.

    I feel very frustrated about being limited in what I can wear. I’ve never been a peacock, but I hate white shirts as they get dirty so easily. I have smart shirts in many different colors (not just blue by the way!!!) Right now, I’m wearing a purple one. I also have red, dark red, dark blue, yellow, black, brown, gray, stripey etc shirts. I just about get away with the stripey ones in church.

    #262455
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    SamBee, I hear where you are coming from. As early as a preteen I was highly self aware how boring the dress style was with men at church. I wasn’t aware of all the formal rules or customs though. Just that we all dressed very blandly, especially compared to the much better and colorfully and varied dressed wormen whom I noted always looked nicer and sharper then us. I was probably late teens of I remember right when I oppertunity came from out of nowhere. One of my Scottish friends had felt left out in church. He happened to have several wool kilts. As a show of support, I suggested that maybe we and a few friends of his who also expressed interest in trying kilts could wear them. Not to church but to The church Fireside. The 4 of us went to the fireside that week in wool kilts(red,black, grey and a few other colors if I remember right, like a plaid). Needless to say I wasn’t expecting all the looks and comments, as I was quite niave and didn’t see the big deal, I was focused on supporting my friends culture so he didn’t feel so “out”.

    On the plus side a few people including adult women gave us compliments. So it wasn’t one sided view all the way. It was quite the experience for me and opened my eyes to how quickly people are judged on the dress and not just in the church. But I think USA as a whole has become more excepting of culture “attire” differnces. A Ex GF of mine was Indian and tried to wear a Sara to church, it was muxed results as well but I loved it. Not the same old same old, color and spice but still with reverence and respect toward god. But that’s not always how people of “tradition” view things. Tend to be stuck with holding to “tradition” right or wrong or inbetween.

    #262456
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    My oldest son wore his kilt (the entire outfit, not just the bottom half) to church the last week he was with me in Nevada before returning to Missouri to start the school year. He looked awesome!

    He also had a full beard at the time.

    #262457
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    rebeccad wrote:

    See, that’s the funny thing. I would happily wear pants to church just because I don’t have a problem with it.

    However, this FB group is pretty popular in some circles, but doesn’t really have clear motives, now I’m considering not because I’m not clear what “statement” people would think I was making.

    MY statement is “Here are these pants, they are clean, dressy, and warmer than my skirt, I can’t imagine why you care, but there you go.”

    Well said, Rebeccad!! What a perfect way to sum it up. How often have I tried to come up with a sentence to describe reactions to my occasional non-white shirt or my ever-present goatee

    #262458
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    SamBee wrote:

    But they’re still not very flattering to women of larger proportions, IMHO.

    Can’t we promote a “wear a kilt” to church day for the priesthood? The Polynesians, Greeks and Scots in the church could certainly dig that.

    Now, you see this is smart… maybe a little too much facial hair, but a nice white shirt. And quite modest too…

    [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2a/Spiridon_louis.jpg[/img]

    I served a Tongan speaking mission in LA back in the day. It was very common in the the Tongan and Samoan wards for men to attend wearing their Tupenu or LavaLava

    #262459
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    SamBee wrote:

    …The men, on the other hand, wear … shades of gray….

    I feel very frustrated a….

    How many shades of Gray do the men wear….Fifty perhaps? That would keep me awake in church…though might not help the feelings of frustration 😯

    #262460
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    johnh, for the win!!

    #262461
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    Our ward is roughly 20% Pacific Islander, and several of the brothers wear lavalava on Sunday — with a white shirt and tie. Always very conservatively coloured – black, brown, etc.

    And I totally agree that even though women wear dresses, it would be perfectly acceptable for a good Molly Mormon to ruck up to Church in an Old Navy ring-necked t-shirt, a hippie-style cotton tie-dyed skirt and Birkenstock sandals. I’d take that level of comfort any day over a freakin’ Mr. Mac suit. ;)

    #262462
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    Wow, this is really going around FB with a lot of opinions. I am amazed by the posters who claim women wearing pants in our church is not an issue. In our area, we are not definitely not there yet. A woman wearing pants in our area will be judged and labeled by the leadership and many in the lay crowd. This was brought up as a topic in a gospel principles class recently! Many around here feel it is what women should wear to feel feminine and to show respect to Heavenly Father. A few focused on disapproving of the protest and feel it’s very wrong to use church settings for this type of thing.

    #262463
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    I’m glad to hear that the suit has not entirely won out in the Pacific! Polynesian clothes are much more practical in the heat and humidity I think.

    I wonder if Japanese sisters wear kimonos to church or not, or if Chinese brethren wear those wonderful Chinese suits? I doubt it.

    I think very few men in the church with Scottish backgrounds wear the kilt to church… but why?* And the crazy thing is that tartans reflect pride in our ancestry, something the church is always banging on about. I’d love to wear a kilt to church, but wouldn’t be comfortable doing so. (I’ve worn one on numerous occasions outside the church)

    There is a gender issue here, but in this particular context, I don’t think it’s purely a female one. I would say the issue of the priesthood, that IS mainly a female issue, because we’re allowed to have it, and you’re not. In this matter though, both genders are restricted in what they can wear. You ladies are looking over at us men, and wanting to wear pants, and at least some of us, are looking back over at you, and envying the variety of clothing that you get to wear already.

    * Certainly worn on other occasions e.g. dances etc, but seemingly not in sacrament meetings etc.

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