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January 26, 2013 at 6:53 am #207333
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GuestThis evening I read a blog, over at Eppur Si Muove. I must admit I was teary eyed. I’m sure this isn’t new’s to you all as it happened many years ago. But to me it was news. I could relate so much to Bruce. I grew up with a very homophobic father and admit that I carried some of the same views as Bruce. I felt guilt for having kept my eyes closed and not leaving my little Mormon bubble of understanding. Since my shelf collapsed my views have been changing considerably on this and other social issues. Where as before I supported prop 8 full heartedly, lately I’ve since felt like maybe I shouldn’t have.STUART MATIS: A FRIEND, AN EXAMPLEWell today I’m no more undecided on the matter. I’m coming out! As Packer said (and someone over at NOM), why would God do this to someone? Let people marry who they want! If we’re going to teach that marriage in required for the celestial kingdom but gay’s shouldn’t marry, aren’t we essentially damming a group of people? Sigh… Anyways, I just had to post this somewhere. It was either here or FB. But learning from Johnh’s craziness post, I went with here.
:wave: January 26, 2013 at 6:59 am #264195Anonymous
GuestSorry, I’m a bit slow. You’re coming out as gay? I thought you were married (not that they’re mutually exclusive). January 26, 2013 at 7:23 am #264196Anonymous
Guesteman wrote:It was either here or FB. But learning from Johnh’s craziness post, I went with here.
:wave: Thats usually my role in life…do stuff so people can watch the outcome and then do the opposite
:crazy: Just teasing
Mackay…I think he is coming out that he is no longer against Gay marriage.
Personally I woldn’t mind if my wife came out as bi and wanted to marry a woman…as long as she was also polyamorous.
👿 I am all about diversity
:thumbup: January 26, 2013 at 8:05 am #264197Anonymous
GuestI also have had a change of heart on gay marriage. I think it will be permitted in most states soon. I’m fine with that I guess. So johnh, if your wife turned bi wouldn’t that mean there would two women not putting out for you instead of just one? Maybe your marriage is different than 99 percent of all the other middle age guys I know. BTW you really don’t need to answer that question. If you fall in the 1 percent it would just make me jealous.
Ray, I’m just having a little fun here.
January 26, 2013 at 11:08 am #264198Anonymous
GuestQuote:Let people marry who they want! If we’re going to teach that marriage in required for the celestial kingdom but gay’s shouldn’t marry, aren’t we essentially damming a group of people?
I agree, I hope that the church gets there someday.
January 26, 2013 at 4:02 pm #264199Anonymous
GuestOpps…meant that to mean coming out in support of homosexuals. No I’m not gay. 
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January 26, 2013 at 4:45 pm #264201Anonymous
GuestI couldn’t agree more. Gay marriage has been legal here in Canada for quite some time now, and our society hasn’t fallen apart. We need to stop trying to hold other people accountable to our value system. Careful, its a slippery slope though. First I accepted gay marriage and now, after taking lots of time to study it out and ponder, I am no longer convinced that God looks on it a an abomination. That stance, I have found, is a little more difficult to come out of the closet about. Even in a family with an openly gay brother.
January 26, 2013 at 5:21 pm #264202Anonymous
GuestWhenever I hear about gay marriage, I think about lawyers rubbing their hands with glee. January 26, 2013 at 6:30 pm #264203Anonymous
GuestSorry (feeling a bit stoopid…) I’m in agreement on allowing gay marriage.
We endorse other marriages for time. Eg, a couple might marry civily and never go to the temple. Or when widowed women marry a second husband even though she remains sealed to the first. In that situation they’re married for time only.
Essentially those couple are being endorsed as in a relationship for companionship, friendship etc in this life but there’s no promise of the eternity.
I can see a way for gay marriage ‘for time’ working.
I think it would be more difficult to change doctrine to a temple sealing for time and eternity given our doctrine of exaltation and eternal increase (‘getting a planet’)
January 26, 2013 at 6:32 pm #264204Anonymous
Guestjohnh wrote:
Personally I woldn’t mind if my wife came out as bi and wanted to marry a woman…as long as she was also polyamorous.👿 I am all about diversity
:thumbup: Lol. Have you seen the friends episode where ross tries this. I think most of us husbands would have the same fate of being quickly sidelined.
January 27, 2013 at 6:28 am #264200Anonymous
Guestmackay11 wrote:johnh wrote:
Personally I woldn’t mind if my wife came out as bi and wanted to marry a woman…as long as she was also polyamorous.👿 I am all about diversity
:thumbup: Lol. Have you seen the friends episode where ross tries this. I think most of us husbands would have the same fate of being quickly sidelined.
Yeah…you are probably right….then I would be stuck as a spectator
January 27, 2013 at 6:43 am #264205Anonymous
GuestGiven only two choices at the extremes (allow gay marriage or deny civil partnership rights to gay couples), I would support gay marriage. We already recognize common law marriage in many states, so it’s not like we can forbid one form of fornication and not another without being total hypocrites. Personally, I favor civil unions for all consenting adults and allowing churches to perform marriages. I think that actually would make marriage “sacred” and “sanctified” (FAR more than the current arrangement does), since churches also could annul marriages (without affecting civil union status) for whatever reasons would be important to them.
January 27, 2013 at 8:32 am #264206Anonymous
GuestSamBee wrote:Whenever I hear about gay marriage, I think about lawyers rubbing their hands with glee.
Just curious – what do you mean?
January 27, 2013 at 11:11 am #264207Anonymous
GuestGay marriage means gay divorce, gay alimony, gay squabbles over adopted children, properties and gay marriage contracts. It’s a brand new market for lawyers – they must love it. There’s a lot of money in this.
If gays think they won’t have the challenges straight people do in marriage they have another thing coming. In fact, many of the things I’ve described have already happened somewhere.
January 27, 2013 at 2:08 pm #264208Anonymous
GuestQuote:If gays think they won’t have the challenges straight people do in marriage they have another thing coming.
Fwiw, I don’t know of any homosexual person who thinks like that. Most of them who want to be able to “marry” (and some don’t care in the slightest, as long as they can have full civil union rights) just want the right to try to make it work in the exact same way heterosexual people can. Anyway, even if half or more don’t work out long-term, it’s not like that won’t be par for the heterosexual course.
It’s not homosexuals who will devalue marriage and destroy its sanctity. Heterosexuals have taken care of that just fine on their own. Frankly, that hypocrisy (complaining that others will do what “we” have done already) is one of the core reasons I personally can’t oppose gay marriage strongly – again, even though I favor universal civil unions with marriage being a religious ceremony. Ironically, that would mean other churches adopting the LDS perspective, in a way, since that would resemble, in form, the way we in the Church view civil marriage and temple sealings now – and I would love that just for the irony.
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