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January 28, 2013 at 6:20 pm #207339
alltruth
GuestHello everyone, I found this community while doing some research last week, and am so thankful to have found a group of people who treat those of us who continaully seek truth with love and compassion. I’ll give you a bit of my background, and then hopefully become a contributing member of the group.
I was born in the church and from the start never really felt like I fit in very well. Even as a primary child I would ask questions that seemed to intimidate my teachers, and not recieve very satisfying answers. As I got to my teenage years, I became more aggressive with my questioning, and still couldn’t get the answers I was seeking. It got to the point where I decided church wasn’t for me, and so through most of my teenage years I didn’t attend church, although I was happy to still be a part of the church basketball team.
😆 Although I still lived most of the standards during my time away, I did allow myself to engage in some behaviors that the church wouldn’t approve of.When I went to college (not BYU), I got involved in a very serious relationship with a wonderful woman (not a member), and after a couple years we began talking about marriage. One night, I had the impression that if I was serious about marrying this woman, I needed to find out for myself whether or not “the church was true” (I’m not a big fan of that wording, but that’s how I felt at the time). I began reading the BoM and praying about it. As I read, I became convinced that it had much truth and a real power, and one night as I was praying I had one of those conversion moments where my mind and my heart aligned, and I knew that God wanted me to go back to church, and, disconcertingly, to go on a mission.
At first, I thought this would be the end of my relationship, but surprisingly, the girl I was dating supported my decision and even expressed an interest in investigating the church! After meeting with my bishop and cleaning up some things that needed to be taken care of, I headed out on a mission to Seoul, South Korea. It was a disaster. Turns out I have bipolar disorder. While at the MTC I was on fire… a real animal. It was a manic episode. When I got into the field, I crashed. I just wasn’t ready, spiritually or emotionally, to take on that type of experience. It got to the point where one night I stood in the kitchen of our apartment with a knife to my wrist, thinking it was best if I just put an end to the pain. Instead I decided to go home. My mission president said he prayed about it and felt that I should stay, but I respectfully disagreed and headed back to the States.
When I returned, the girl I had been seeing informed me that she wanted to be baptized, but that her parents would disown her and that she wasn’t ready to sacrifice her family for the church. I told her that was fine, but the experience had really shaken her. She felt like marriage was out of the question, that her parents would probably disown her if she married a Mormon, and that it was best if we ended the relationship. I fought it, but in the end, we split up.
At the same time, I was still deeply depressed. Suicidally depressed. Eventually my family couldn’t handle it anymore, and had me committed (probably the best thing that could have happened to me). I got diagnosed with bipolar disorder and suddenly my life seemed to make much more sense.
Let’s just fast forward so this doesn’t become cumbersome. I’ve floated in and out of the church, and never felt like a “strong member” due to my doubting heart and inability to feel the Spirit (I once read an article from a GA that said that in his experience the two groups who struggled the most with feeling the Spirit were abuse victims and individuals with mental illness). During one of those times that I was in the church, I met the love of my life and married her (in the temple). Since I married her, I’ve made a real effort to become a TBM. Unfortunately, it just doesn’t work for me. I have too many questions, too many doubts, and not enough faith to just say, “Oh well, I’m all in.” When I first shared my doubts and concerns with my wife, she freaked… but as she’s seen that I don’t necessarily want to leave the church even with my issues, it’s become easier and easier to talk about things without it causing much friction in our marriage.
Problem is, I’ve been having a real hard time lately. I got called as Elder’s Quorum President about a year ago, and one thing I’ve learned is that Church leadership doesn’t fit me very well. I’ve seen a lot of things that have really shaken my faith, and while I want to believe the church is led by inspiration, I feel more like I’m a middle manager in a huge corporation. More and more I’ve just felt that while I enjoy the fellowship of the Saints, I don’t know how I feel about THE CHURCH as an entity.
I’m not looking to get out, but I am looking for a place where I can talk about my doubts and fears without fear of reprisal or judgement. That’s why I’m here.
Thanks for creating a safe place, and I look forward to getting to know each of you better over the coming months and years….
January 28, 2013 at 9:28 pm #264360Anonymous
Guestalltruth, thanks for sharing. It’s an interesting story, and one where you’ve come to accept a part of you: your personal insanity. I consider this a really good thing. You are now dealing with a church that has a collective insanity — a bipolar disease where it thinks that everything can be considered black and white. It’s the church’s mania that puts a hard line — take it or leave it — it’s all true or all fraud — and in so doing, it demonstrates a deep sickness.
I would encourage you to think in terms of the church simply being a dysfunctional individual, who hasn’t quite realized his/her dysfunction. As you know, the solution to bipolar disorder isn’t to adopt one pole or the other, but rather, to put things into balance — to find a middle way between mania and depression that works for you. This middle way requires us to establish what we believe, to cultivate our love for one another, and to set aside the extremes the church so readily puts upon us. The truth is that most belief systems do the same…but to rise above them, to rise above it, is to simply understand that the extremes don’t matter. I suspect you know this from your own recovery.
if you look at my blog reference below, you’ll see lots of thoughts about the Middle Way and how I have had to reconcile my beliefs. we are all on a path — a journey, and this often means that the conditions around us — including the church itself — are not as important as our individual sense of spirituality and serenity. Once finding my own center, and since this is a daily thing i need to do so daily — I can take the church or leave it, but I am free to participate and find benefit.
It’s how I survive…it isn’t for everyone.
January 29, 2013 at 4:34 am #264361Anonymous
GuestWow, that’s quit the story. I have known many people who are bipolar and my heart goes out to you. You will find that this is a very safe place to be yourself and express your doubts and believes. As far as your calling is concerned, all I can say is many of us are dealing with the same feelings. We are in leadership positions and use our callings to make a difference for those that might feel like they don’t quit fit in. Welcome and use this site as needed. It’s cheap therapy. January 29, 2013 at 4:56 am #264362Anonymous
GuestI read with interest about your experiences and doubts of “the church is true” mantra. I too have my doubts. I am a convert of 22 years. For the first ten or so years, I was an all out LDS guy. I served in a bishopric, a stake presidency, and the high council. I attended the temple, got sealed to my wife, did most of the work for my ancestors. I was taken aback and set on my heels when I found that Masonry was evident in temple ordinances. If the church were “true’, I reasoned that all it stood for would be revealed anew by Jesus or his messengers. So, I stopped going to the temple. I still have my doubts about the temple, so I don’t go. Just the same, I do know the Gospel of Jesus Christ is real. The Book of Mormon, while its history is questionable, is full of wisdom and insight, and I refer to it often. I love the Mormon Tabernacle Choir. In short, there is much about the church that I love. I love the camaraderie of the brethren. I am the finance clerk (6 years now) and enjoy that part of my service.
I think you are not exceptional in your thoughts. We all wander around a lot. Some of us will put on a show because we don’t want to let our families down, or we’re reluctant to let go just in case its all true. If I were to advise you, from where I sit (age is a benefit here), you are quite normal. I think you should take the parts that appeal to you, and do the best you can. I know from experience that the Lord loves me, and that is the only reason I love to serve his children in whatever way I can. I hope this helps you some.
January 29, 2013 at 8:40 am #264363Anonymous
Guestalltruth wrote:
I’m not looking to get out, but I am looking for a place where I can talk about my doubts and fears without fear of reprisal or judgement. That’s why I’m here.Thanks for creating a safe place, and I look forward to getting to know each of you better over the coming months and years….
Welcome to the forum. This is probably the most safe and non-judgmental place on the internet. I’m very appreciative of the mods who work very hard to minimise debate and contention.
I was also interested by this comment:
Quote:…article from a GA that said that in his experience the two groups who struggled the most with feeling the Spirit were abuse victims and individuals with mental illness
I would love to find out more. I don’t suppose you have a reference to this anywhere?
January 29, 2013 at 3:32 pm #264364Anonymous
GuestI’m rushing out the door, but I wanted to welcome you. January 29, 2013 at 4:31 pm #264365Anonymous
GuestWelcome alltruth, I hope you feel at home here. January 29, 2013 at 5:02 pm #264366Anonymous
GuestFinally! We can say that stayLds is the most correct of all forums! Indeed we have alltruth! 
Welcome to our group!
:wave: January 30, 2013 at 2:03 am #264367Anonymous
Guesteman wrote:Finally! We can say that stayLds is the most correct of all forums! Indeed we have alltruth!

Welcome to our group!
:wave: 
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January 30, 2013 at 6:56 pm #264368Anonymous
GuestThanks for the warm welcome… Quote:…article from a GA that said that in his experience the two groups who struggled the most with feeling the Spirit were abuse victims and individuals with mental illness
Quote:I would love to find out more. I don’t suppose you have a reference to this anywhere?
I went to Google, hoping I could find it quickly and easily, but couldn’t. I’ll need to go through my papers to see if I can find it, but it was 10+ years ago that my counselor gave it to me, so I’m afraid it may have gone the way of the Joseph Smith Papyrus.
😆 Quote:I have known many people who are bipolar and my heart goes out to you
Thanks. It’s caused some major, embarassing situations, and certainly complicates things at times, but I figure I’m not much different than others in that regard. And since I’ve been consistent with my meds, things have smoothed out nicely. I still have ups and downs, but no more thinking I’m the prophet or a son of perdition.
:clap: eman wrote:Finally! We can say that stayLds is the most correct of all forums! Indeed we have alltruth!
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“It is a record of the wanderings of the not quite faithful, and their dealings with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ…. And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men…”
January 31, 2013 at 6:12 am #264369Anonymous
Guestalltruth wrote:Thanks for the warm welcome…
[“It is a record of the wanderings of the not quite faithful, and their dealings with God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ…. And now, if there are faults they are the mistakes of men…”

Nice!
:thumbup: And welcome! You are gonna love it here
:wave: March 19, 2013 at 12:29 am #264370Anonymous
GuestI’m also bipolar. I can relate with the struggle of knowing what ” spirit ” is and such. March 19, 2013 at 1:40 am #264371Anonymous
GuestI’m not bipolar, but I’ve taken meds for depression for about 15 years. I have more than just that to blame difficulties tuning in to the Spirit on, but it only happens to me once in a great while. Don’t give up hope that it will happen for you, though – sometimes it comes through in a strange way. -
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