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February 4, 2013 at 4:17 pm #207371
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GuestHello, I’ve been reading the posts on this site for about 4 months now. I am so grateful that a site like this exists; for so many years I thought I was all alone in my faith crisis.
When I was 17 years old, I went to visit my ex-Mormon father for a week over the summer. One night, he started asking about my plans to go on a mission. Although I had no firm testimony of anything at the time, I told him I was going on a mission; that’s what I wanted to do, and that’s what was expected of me. He said before I made a final decision, I should completely analyze Joseph Smith and the church’s history. I had no clue what he was talking about. He proceeded to tell me the most terrible things about Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, and several problematic issues from church history. I became sick to my stomach. I went to bed that night crying myself to sleep. When I got home, I didn’t know who to talk to. I didn’t dare tell my mom or step-dad; I didn’t want to hurt their testimonies.
After a few days, I decided I would search the Internet to debunk the claims my dad had made. Instead of finding rebuttals or explanations, I found confirmation that these claims were true. And most of these things were verifiable through actual church publications, like Journal of Discourses, History of the Church, and Deseret News archives. I was horrified. Each Sunday afterwards I would look at everyone in the congregation thinking: ‘if only you knew what I know’. I decided I was going to work through this. Over the next year I purchased several books from Deseret Book, such as “Answers To Gospel Questions” by Joseph Fielding Smith, and a FARMS book on the authenticity of the Book Of Mormon. Although many of FARMS’ explanations for the BofM’s rapid population growth, similarities to other 18th & 19th Century writings, anachronisms, and other problems in the BofM were not entirely convincing, I was at least satisfied that experts and scholars were addressing these problems, and so my anxiety gradually tapered off.
By the time I was ready to go on my mission, I received an undeniable personal confirmation that the Book of Mormon was true. I made sure to write this experience down in my journal, so that I could never deny this happened to me. I went on my mission, and felt like I was a stronger missionary because of the experiences I had. Where I saw hesitation from most of my companions, I was able to tell investigators that I KNEW this church was true. Because I had received such an amazing personal witness, I expected nothing less for anyone else who sincerely wanted to know the truth about the BofM. I promised dozens of investigators that if they sincerely prayed to their Heavenly Father, they would receive an answer just like I had. Most of my companions would tell the investigators that if they just felt good about what they were reading, that was their answer. I was not okay with this. We were going to ask these people to give 10% of their income and 20+ hours a month of their time and efforts to this church; they shouldn’t have to settle for just a peaceful feeling. They needed to know with every fiber of their being. I was fully convinced that every one of God’s children would get the most convincing answer possible-the manifestation of the spirit. Over the two years, I was quite disappointed that such a low percentage of those I taught ever received this feeling.
After my mission, I got married to an amazing person, and we’ve had the most wonderful children. Starting in about 2007, I started to get these uneasy feelings as I would read the BofM or D&C. I started to wonder why Jesus was so angry with the world (D&C Chapter 1). I wondered why Joseph would get revelations at the most convenient times for himself. I wondered why Jesus, through Joseph, would give such specific instructions to such specific people for such bizarre purposes. I would almost have anxiety attacks in gospel doctrine when we’d learn about Captain Moroni slaughtering people who disagreed with him (in the name of liberty), or how the world is so wicked, or just about anything we’d learn from the book of Ether. I’d look around the room thinking, is everyone really okay with this?
I decided to go back to taking an honest objective approach to church history. I read all the critics’ arguments and followed up with FAIR’s rebuttals. At one time I had considered myself a well-informed apologist; now I was starting to recognize major flaws in apologists’ reasoning. In fact, it was ultimately FAIR that helped me conclude that the church’s historical problems cannot be explained away. For me, there were 30+ significant issues that finally caused my shelf to come crashing down.
I am now well into my 30’s. Throughout this experience I feel like my relationship with my Heavenly Father has actually gotten better. I have poured out my soul to him, because he’s the only one I’ve been able to turn to. By combining prayer and faith with reason and intellect, I have received subsequent personal manifestations that have been just as undeniable as my Book of Mormon experience. If I were to share these spiritual experiences with a TBM, he or she would most likely tell me that Satan is deceiving me.
So either the church’s promise of the manifestation of the Holy Ghost has backfired on itself in my case, or there is a more general way to interpret/reconcile each of these spiritual experiences, or Satan really has deceived me. But how can Satan have a hold of me if I have never felt closer to my Heavenly Father?
February 4, 2013 at 6:43 pm #264941Anonymous
GuestSubmar wrote:…By combining prayer and faith with reason and intellect, I have received subsequent personal manifestations that have been just as undeniable as my Book of Mormon experience. If I were to share these spiritual experiences with a TBM, he or she would most likely tell me that Satan is deceiving me.
So either the church’s promise of the manifestation of the Holy Ghost has backfired on itself in my case, or there is a more general way to interpret/reconcile each of these spiritual experiences, or Satan really has deceived me. But how can Satan have a hold of me if I have never felt closer to my Heavenly Father?
Welcome Submar! This is a very interesting line of thought. I know I’ve seen examples of this where someone would say that no one should blindly follow the prophet but that each member should receive personal revelation to confirm the prophets words. However, the conclusion is laid out that you will receive confirmation. Anything that would contradict the prophet would of course be from “a different spirit.”
:problem: While I’m not a person naturally inclined to spiritual experiences, I’d say that the very same “Spirit” that would guide me pre-faith crisis guides me even more now. And yes, I’ve felt it confirm doing things differently than before.
February 4, 2013 at 8:21 pm #264942Anonymous
GuestWelcome. I hope we can help each other in our individual journeys within shared communities. February 4, 2013 at 10:26 pm #264943Anonymous
GuestWelcome Submar! Submar wrote:So either the church’s promise of the manifestation of the Holy Ghost has backfired on itself in my case, or there is a more general way to interpret/reconcile each of these spiritual experiences, or Satan really has deceived me. But how can Satan have a hold of me if I have never felt closer to my Heavenly Father?
You remind me of Joseph Smith’s words:
Quote:For I had seen a vision; I knew it, and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it
The religious leaders of his time would have said he was in fact deceived by Satan, but he had no other choice – he had to live true to his heart. This is where the 11th article of faith comes into play for me – we each need to live true to our heart, and we need to understand others must do the same. Because we don’t have the same view that God has, we can’t be entirely sure that He doesn’t lead some people one direction and others another. To claim otherwise is to claim we fully understand the mind and will of God – which is by every scripture that I have read a very dangerous position. You HAVE to follow where your heart and your perception of the spirit leads you, that is your only real choice and what LDS teachings very clearly support. The only caution that can possibly go with this advice is to be sure that you are in fact following the spirit of God as it comes to you.
February 5, 2013 at 12:12 am #264944Anonymous
GuestHi, welcome to the site. It sounds like you’ve had an interesting journey and well-researched. It will be interesting to have you participate in future discussions. February 5, 2013 at 4:25 pm #264945Anonymous
GuestIt’s good to finally “meet” some of you. One of the reasons I want to make the church work for me is because I have so many fond memories in this church. I’ve been lucky enough to have great bishops, leaders, and teachers. This culture has provided me friendship and fellowship I don’t think I could find anywhere else. For these reasons, I still consider the church “true” for myself. At this point in my life, I’m not ready to abandon all of this.
That being said, I want to be able to reach out to others within the church who haven’t been so lucky. Some of you have had such rocky journeys; my heart goes out to you. I really think I’ve become more compassionate by reading your stories. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
February 7, 2013 at 9:30 am #264946Anonymous
GuestSubmar wrote:It’s good to finally “meet” some of you.
One of the reasons I want to make the church work for me is because I have so many fond memories in this church. I’ve been lucky enough to have great bishops, leaders, and teachers. This culture has provided me friendship and fellowship I don’t think I could find anywhere else. For these reasons, I still consider the church “true” for myself. At this point in my life, I’m not ready to abandon all of this.
That being said, I want to be able to reach out to others within the church who haven’t been so lucky. Some of you have had such rocky journeys; my heart goes out to you. I really think I’ve become more compassionate by reading your stories. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Welcome
I feel the exact same way. This site has been such a blessing for me.
February 7, 2013 at 4:13 pm #264947Anonymous
GuestSubmar wrote:Throughout this experience I feel like my relationship with my Heavenly Father has actually gotten better. I have poured out my soul to him, because he’s the only one I’ve been able to turn to. By combining prayer and faith with reason and intellect, I have received subsequent personal manifestations that have been just as undeniable as my Book of Mormon experience. If I were to share these spiritual experiences with a TBM, he or she would most likely tell me that Satan is deceiving me.
So either the church’s promise of the manifestation of the Holy Ghost has backfired on itself in my case, or there is a more general way to interpret/reconcile each of these spiritual experiences, or Satan really has deceived me. But how can Satan have a hold of me if I have never felt closer to my Heavenly Father?
Welcome! As you know, many of us here have had precisely this same experience. I say, own it completely. But also toss out the “Is Satan deceiving me” question completely. Maybe Satan is trying to deceive you by causing you to wonder whether God’s revelation to you is a satanic deception. Honestly, this kind of self-doubt is endlessly circular. You are clearly trying to do the right thing. God is not a schmuck. He does not play head games with us. He is not messing with you. This is just what growth and progress sometimes feels like.
(Apologies for the assertive tone. Just one person’s opinion.)
February 8, 2013 at 6:34 pm #264948Anonymous
GuestThanks for the input. It is so nice to get genuine articulate responses to actual concerns. I think the key is to allow input from both faith and reason; to use both tools to the extent that we can, and then it should be our CONSCIENCE that makes sense of the answer we get. That’s my philosophy for now anyways. February 8, 2013 at 6:36 pm #264949Anonymous
GuestYeah, I absolutely love the 11th Article of Faith. 
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