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    “How many wives do YOU have?” I first heard this jibe in about the 5th grade… in the 70’s… and man it just never gets old, right?

    I believe that polygamy is:

    – the most embarrassing aspect of the church in an era when the church wants to be viewed as more mainstream

    – a major barrier of entry for potential investigators

    – one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, catalysts in the growing number of faithful members reaching a faith crisis

    So, I’ve thought a lot about what, exactly, the church believes to be official doctrine regarding polygamy. There is a lot of folklore, like there are more righteous women than men, that men can marry more than one woman for Time and All Eternity, but a woman can’t marry multiple men, that a man must have multiple wives in the hereafter in order to be exalted, etc, etc, etc… but what is the ACTUAL doctrine?

    Obviously, there is section 132 of the D&C, but that carefully-worded persuasive essay falls short of being a clear declaration. To me, it seems like it’s trying to justify something that is a priori knowledge for the reader, and, as such, is hard to parse when reading it as a sole source for doctrine. Yet, the pertinent part can be found in D&C 132:61-65, highlighted here: https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/132.61-65?lang=eng

    From this canonical description of plural marriage, I think I can gather the following specific doctrines:

    – A man can marry two women at the same time, and it is not adultery, as long as both are virgins, and the first wife gives consent (v61) and as long as it is part of the “law” which I take to mean sealed for time and all eternity by priesthood ordinance. (v62)

    – No specific revelation or commandment from God is required, only that the man desires it. (v61)

    – In fact, as long as this same pattern is followed, the man can marry as many wives as he desires. The example of 10 is given, but the implication is that there is no limit. (v62)

    – If the first wife doesn’t give consent, even though the man is righteous and following the above, then it is a sin (v 65), and she will be “destroyed”, which I take to mean spiritually (v64), and the man is to go forward with the plural marriages anyway, exempt from needing her consent. (v 65)

    – If a woman married in polygamy “shall be with another man”, that is a sin (adultery), and she will be destroyed. (v 63)

    – The purpose of plural marriage is to 1) allow righteous men to fulfill the commandment to multiply and replenish the earth 2) allow for the exaltation of righteous men, as their way to have children in the eternal worlds. (v 63)

    So, yeah… ugh… But then OD1 declares that the church has already ended the official practice (prior to 1890) and that:

    “Inasmuch as laws have been enacted by Congress forbidding plural marriages, which laws have been pronounced constitutional by the court of last resort, I hereby declare my intention to submit to those laws, and to use my influence with the members of the Church over which I preside to have them do likewise… And I now publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriage forbidden by the law of the land.” — Wilford Woodruff

    It doesn’t do anything to rescind the doctrine, nor to address plural marriage in places outside of the US, nor does it answer the question of plural marriage in the hereafter. The only accomplishment of the Manifesto is to relegate the New and Everlasting Covenant of Marriage to a notch behind “the law of the land.” It did essentially, however, end the pervasive PRACTICE of polygamy.

    Today, the church is very quiet. Yet there are a small number of statements in the church’s lesson manuals, that I will assume reflect the current doctrine…

    In the Gospel Doctrine Teachers Manual for the BofM, lesson 12 addresses Jacob’s condemnation of polygamy:

    https://www.lds.org/manual/book-of-mormon-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-12-seek-ye-for-the-kingdom-of-god?lang=eng

    In this section, the church states the following:

    – the default law is one wife, unless the Lord directs otherwise.

    – The Lord did give such direction in Section 132, but later “withdrew His sanction of plural marriage when conditions changed.”

    – The law of the Lord today is the same as in Jacob’s time.

    In the Gospel Doctrine Teachers Manual for the D&C, lesson 31 addresses plural marriage as described in Section 132. In the manual the church states:

    https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-gospel-doctrine-teachers-manual/lesson-31-sealed—for-time-and-for-all-eternity?lang=eng

    – At various times throughout history, God has commanded people to practice plural marriage

    – such was the case in the time of JS, when “the Lord commanded some of the early Saints” to do it.

    – It was a challenging thing for JS, BY, HCK and others, but they obeyed.

    – WW received a revelation in 1890 to cease teaching the practice of plural marriage.

    – GBH stated in 1998 that “this church has nothing whatever to do with” modern polygamists, and any attempt to practice polygamy will garner you an excommuncation.

    In the Seminary Student Study Guide for the D&C covering sections 131 and 132, the church states:

    https://www.lds.org/manual/doctrine-and-covenants-and-church-history-student-study-guide/the-church-in-nauvoo-illinois/doctrine-and-covenants-131-132-the-new-and-everlasting-covenant-of-marriage?lang=eng

    – “Plural marriage is not essential to salvation or exaltation”

    – When it was in effect, it was only valid if authorized by the President of the Church

    – The Lord ended the practice through President Wilford Woodruff in 1890.

    While the church is emphatic about how it has ended the practice here on earth, it is silent about what it means in the afterlife. Note that the church doesn’t make the statement that it doesn’t know… rather, the topic is simply ignored… and I take that to mean that Section 132 is the “eternal” doctrine, even if the practice is suspended.

    Please feel free to add evidence for the current position of the church on polygamy. I dislike how it just sits there, like an elephant in the room, and the church still tries to serve herbal tea to everyone. What else is part of the doctrine?

    #265673
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    I’ve always thought the racist thing was worse. If they wete consenting adults, I don’t have an issue with it. But if not consenting and/or adults then I do.

    Basically we’re in no longer teach it territory.

    The BoM is pretty anti-polyg

    #265674
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    Well done, O-O-N. That’s a pretty good, concise description. The only thing I’d add is that the Church does currently sanction a form of plural marriage — in the temple. If a man marries a woman in the temple and she later passes away, he can marry another woman in the temple for T&AE, too. A woman, however, cannot do the same.

    #265675
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    Just to clarify, a woman can be sealed to every husband she had in mortality, so it does go both ways, in practical terms.

    The Church’s official position? My own summary would be:

    Quote:

    Some form of plural marriage will exist, for some people, in the next life. We don’t know exactly what that will be like, but we believe God will sort it out in a way that will make everyone happy.

    That’s about it, imo.

    #265676
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    I wish that the top would stop the culture from continuing to perpetuate that women will HAVE to allow their husbands multiple wives in the celestial kingdom.

    It is to this day causing untold anguish and distress to many women and it is STILL being passed down to the next generation of women! I have heard young women say,”what is the point of being so good in this life if you just end up sharing your husband in the CK.”

    Also I’m sorry but if the church made polygamy a commandment then the whole “consenting adults / free agency / the women could choose to practice it” argument is B.S!

    If you are threatened with damnation, burning in hell and the loss of your kids in the next life then you are being coerced and manipulated period!

    #265677
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    Maybe God didn’t command polygamy at all. Maybe people just took it upon themselves to practice it. Just an opinion.

    #265678
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    Old-Timer wrote:

    Just to clarify, a woman can be sealed to every husband she had in mortality, so it does go both ways, in practical terms.

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    Are you sure about that? Both my Mother and my Aunt had to wait for their “temple divorce” to go through before they could marry their second husbands in the temple. Men I know who remarry have not had to do this, nor is it recommended that they do.

    #265679
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    D&C 132 sounds to me like JS was badgering Emma into accepting polygamy. Explain to me how this can be coming from God:

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    A man needs his first wife’s consent (v61), but if she doesn’t give her consent it’s a sin (v65) and SHE will be spiritually destroyed (v64) and he can go forward with the additional wife without her consent (v65).


    Verses 61 and 65 are contradictory. Either her needs her consent or he doesn’t. Clearly he doesn’t, and of course, if she doesn’t give it – it’s HER sin, not his! I don’t believe God works like that. It sounds more like a Monty Python sketch.

    I think there are two prevailing views within the church:

    1 – that plural marriage is the rule; monogamy is the exception when the law doesn’t allow plural marriage. This would mean it’s the norm in the eternities.

    2 – that plural marriage is the exception when there is a specific reason; monogamy is the rule. This would mean the norm is “couples” in the eternities.

    While I believe 2 to be accurate (and even in exceptional cases I think it is repugnant and sexist), I also know there are plenty of members who think 1 is correct.

    #265680
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    My personal opinion is that the Heavenly Father I know wouldn’t command or prefer that teenage girls be the 8th and 9th wives of a late middle-aged man, even if that man is an undeniably impressive human being like Lorenzo Snow, for instance. Either I’ve missed the mark, or maybe restoration-era polygamy was essentially a (possibly well-intentioned) mistake. I don’t know, and I care less and less which it is because it doesn’t change what I think. I don’t believe that “from time to time” God commands polygamy if one of those times has to be 19th/20th century America. I’m at peace in a way I never was when I used to say, “Well, I don’t understand it, but….” just because everyone else did.

    #265681
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    I believe church policy is not to refer to FLDS etc as Mormon but as “polygamous sects”, which seems to me derogatory.

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    I wish that the top would stop the culture from continuing to perpetuate that women will HAVE to allow their husbands multiple wives in the celestial kingdom.

    Is this a Utah thing? Most people here are converts or second/third generation btw, but I’ve never heard this here. In fact, people here repudiate polygamy so much it’s almost comical, particularly in regard to church history. (We never did it, type thing. Well, oh yes you did, particularly in Briggie’s day…)

    Anyway I’ve a hunch that if celestial marriage is real, it shall be quite different from anything down here.

    On another note, while I realize Heavenly Mother is verboten, do we all have the same spiritual mother in Mormon doctrine? Or different ones and the same father?

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    If you are threatened with damnation, burning in hell and the loss of your kids in the next life then you are being coerced and manipulated period!

    If they do it for that reason alone, it’s not true consent.

    #265682
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    Old-Timer wrote:

    Just to clarify, a woman can be sealed to every husband she had in mortality, so it does go both ways, in practical terms.

    It’s not the same though. A dead woman is only sealed to multiple husbands because there’s no way of knowing which ONE is her preference. But it’s not suggesting she will keep multiples in the next.

    Male polygamy exists on two levels:

    – If a wife dies, he can be sealed to the next

    – If the man gets a civil divorce he can be sealed to the next wife too, without annulling the first. If the ex-wife wants to be re-sealed, she has to annul the first sealing.

    (Awesome OP On Own Now)

    #265683
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    SamBee wrote:

    I believe church policy is not to refer to FLDS etc as Mormon but as “polygamous…

    On another note, while I realize Heavenly Mother is verboten, do we all have the same spiritual mother in Mormon doctrine? Or different ones and the same father?

    Have started a new thread on this question.

    I wish the church would actually discuss her.

    #265684
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    I know it’s not the same for men and women, and I apologize if that was the impression from my comment. I just meant to say that the message that “we don’t know, and God will sort it out in the next life” is bolstered by the fact that women can be sealed posthumously to every man to whom they were married in mortality.

    I also agree that situations in which a widower is sealed to another woman and the assumption is that he WILL be sealed to both women violates the concept of first-wife consent.

    Having said all that, I think there is a difference between “the current Church position” and what members believe – often because of what they were taught in the past – not “currently”. I think that’s an important distinction to make, and, frankly, there really isn’t much of a current position other than, “We don’t do it anymore,” and, “We don’t know exactly, but we trust God to work it out in the end.”

    That’s not very satisfying, but, honestly, the only change for which I hope is that women will be allowed to be sealed to multiple men in this life in situations where men can do so – in the cases of divorce or death of a spouse. Make that equal, and I have no issue left. Tomorrow can take care of tomorrow; all I really care about is equal treatment in the here and now.

    #265685
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    Old-Timer wrote:

    I know it’s not the same for men and women, and I apologize if that was the impression from my comment. I just meant to say that the message that “we don’t know, and God will sort it out in the next life” is bolstered by the fact that women can be sealed posthumously to every man to whom they were married in mortality.

    I also agree that situations in which a widower is sealed to another woman and the assumption is that he WILL be sealed to both women violates the concept of first-wife consent.

    Having said all that, I think there is a difference between “the current Church position” and what members believe – often because of what they were not in the past – not “currently”. I think that’s an important distinction to make, and, frankly, there really isn’t much of a current position other than, “We don’t do it anymore,” and, “We don’t know exactly, but we trust God to work it out in the end.”

    That’s not very satisfying, but, honestly, the only change for which I hope is that women will be allowed to be sealed to multiple men in this life in situations where men can do so – in the cases of divorce or death of a spouse. Make that equal, and I have no issue left. Tomorrow can take care of tomorrow; all I really care about is equal treatment in the here and now.

    This is where my old self has a flare up and says “the church says “we don’t know exactly?” really? I thought we had a prophet, seer and revelator leading this church, not some theological committee. Joseph seems to have been able to get revelation on a whim, often within 24 hours of the question being asked. Does today’s prophet not have a direct link any more?” But then I bat him back into place and put it back on the (sometimes creaking) shelf.

    #265686
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    Yeah, Joseph did – but, in this particular case (polygamy), is that a good thing?

    Just asking a rhetorical question, not needing an answer, necessarily.

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