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    I wanted to start a new thread to include quotes that support those who answer the question “why stay.”

    EDIT: I’ve copied all of these to a searchable blog: http://ldsthoughtfulquotes.blogspot.com

    (If you’re viewing it on a mobile device you won’t be able to see the ‘tag cloud’ of topics. I’ve copied them into a blog post, click here)

    A few requests:

    – Please post each quote in a new post

    – Please provide a clear source and, if possible, a web link

    – Please only post quotes and avoid discussions about the quote. The thread will be most effective if we focus on collating quotes. If you’d like to discuss a quote, please could you copy it into a new thread

    – ‘Official’ sources (lds.org or byu.edu etc) are ideal if possible, but others are fine if not

    Who’s with me?

    Here’s the memorable link to the google doc (not being updated, use the blog link for latest updates): http://tinyurl.com/ldsquotes

    Or the full link to the doc: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Avy3yYkzKCLtdExiRXNDTDJlOWFfQmhRMHYzMllnLWc&usp=sharing

    #265809
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    Love it. Count me in. I scribble so many of our quotes on note cards so that I can read them in especially challenging times.

    #265810
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    Elder Holland, 2007, PBS interview for ‘The Mormons’:

    Quote:

    PBS: [You say] there are stark choices in beliefs about the origins of the book. Explain why there’s no middle way.

    Elder Holland: … If someone can find something in the Book of Mormon, anything that they love or respond to or find dear, I applaud that and say more power to you. That’s what I find, too. And that should not in any way discount somebody’s liking a passage here or a passage there or the whole idea of the book, but not agreeing to its origin, its divinity. …

    I think you’d be as aware as I am that that we have many people who are members of the church who do not have some burning conviction as to its origins, who have some other feeling about it that is not as committed to foundational statements and the premises of Mormonism. But we’re not going to invite somebody out of the church over that any more than we would anything else about degrees of belief or steps of hope or steps of conviction. … We would say: “This is the way I see it, and this is the faith I have; this is the foundation on which I’m going forward. If I can help you work toward that I’d be glad to, but I don’t love you less; I don’t distance you more; I don’t say you’re unacceptable to me as a person or even as a Latter-day Saint if you can’t make that step or move to the beat of that drum.” … We really don’t want to sound smug. We don’t want to seem uncompromising and insensitive.

    http://www.pbs.org/mormons/interviews/holland.html

    #265811
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    BRIGHAM YOUNG, made in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, January 12, 1862

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    I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inqure for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourse 9:150)

    http://pt.fairmormon.org/Journal_of_Discourses/9/27

    #265812
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    mackay11 wrote:

    BRIGHAM YOUNG, made in the Tabernacle, Great Salt Lake City, January 12, 1862

    Quote:


    I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inqure for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security, trusting their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that in itself would thwart the purposes of God in their salvation, and weaken that influence they could give to their leaders, did they know for themselves, by the revelations of Jesus, that they are led in the right way. Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not. (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourse 9:150)


    Can I get an “Amen!” up in here?!?!? :clap:

    #265813
    Anonymous
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    Amen!!!

    #265814
    Anonymous
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    Quote:

    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

    23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; 24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. 25 Agree with thine adversary quickly

    Matthew 5

    #265815
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    Quote:

    I have a question’ What is the relationship of The Church of Jesus

    Christ of Latter-day Saints to the non-Christian

    religions of the world?

    R. Lanier Britsch, vice-president for academics,

    Brigham Young University—Hawaii Campus.

    In 1975, I received a letter from a young man who was investigating the Church. He was

    involved with a popular Hindu group in

    America and felt that he had found

    considerable truth in Hinduism. He told me

    that he was having trouble gaining a

    testimony of the restored gospel because of the problem of “diluted truth.” In answer, I wrote, “By ‘diluted truth,’ I

    suppose you mean that it seems strange to

    you that elements of truth can be found in

    more than one church or religious movement.

    … Why, then, if [the Latter-day Saints] claim to

    have the only true church, is it so easy to see that other religious movements also have

    truth in them?” Continuing, I wrote, “We should never be

    surprised to find truth anywhere. … The Light

    of Christ is in and upon all men, and all men

    who are honest have the right to enjoy the

    rewards of their goodness.” I quoted Doctrine and Covenants 130:20–21:

    “There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven

    before the foundations of this world, upon

    which all blessings are predicated— “And when we obtain any blessing from God,

    it is by obedience to that law upon which it is

    predicated.” I then told him that “if anyone obeys any

    eternal principle he will automatically reap the

    reward for living that law. God will give any

    and all men his or their reward.” We as Latter-

    day Saints do indeed believe that there is truth

    in many religions and philosophies. Many good and great religious leaders have walked

    the earth. Through their teachings, they have

    raised the spiritual, moral, and ethical

    awareness of their people. When we speak of The Church of Jesus Christ

    of Latter-day Saints as the only true church,

    we mean that it is the only organization

    authorized to administer the ordinances of

    salvation. We mean that it is the only

    organization led by Jesus Christ, through the earthly ministries of prophets and Apostles.

    Although the Church teaches the true

    doctrines of salvation, we do not mean that it

    is the only teacher of truth. Ever since the early days of the Church,

    various General Authorities have expressed

    the Church’s position toward non-Christian

    religions: we should not only be tolerant of

    their beliefs, but we should also respect them.

    On 15 February 1978, for example, the First Presidency, consisting of President Spencer

    W. Kimball and his counselors, President

    Marion G. Romney and President N. Eldon

    Tanner, issued an official statement regarding

    the Church’s position toward other religions.

    The statement reads: “Based upon ancient and modern revelation,

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day

    Saints gladly teaches and declares the

    Christian doctrine that all men and women

    are brothers and sisters, not only by blood

    relationship from mortal progenitors, but also as literal spirit children of an Eternal

    Father. “The great religious leaders of the world

    such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the

    Reformers, as well as philosophers including

    Socrates, Plato, and others, received a

    portion of God’s light. Moral truths were

    given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of

    understanding to individuals. “The Hebrew prophets prepared the way for

    the coming of Jesus Christ, the promised

    Messiah, who should provide salvation for all

    mankind who believe in the gospel. “Consistent with these truths, we believe

    that God has given and will give to all people

    sufficient knowledge to help them on their

    way to eternal salvation, either in this life or

    in the life to come. “We also declare that the gospel of Jesus

    Christ, restored to his Church in our day,

    provides the only way to a mortal life of

    happiness and a fullness of joy forever. For

    those who have not received this gospel, the

    opportunity will come to them in the life hereafter if not in this life. “Our message therefore is one of special

    love and concern for the eternal welfare of

    all men and women, regardless of religious

    belief, race, or nationality, knowing that we

    are truly brothers and sisters because we are

    the sons and daughters of the same Eternal Father.” This statement declares that (1) all human

    beings are children of God and therefore

    brothers and sisters, (2) the only way to obtain

    a fulness of joy is through the gospel as

    restored to The Church of Jesus Christ of

    Latter-day Saints, (3) everyone will have the opportunity to accept the gospel, if not in

    mortality, then in the life to come, and (4)

    “great religious leaders of the world” (those

    specifically listed in the statement, as well as

    many others), have received “a portion of

    God’s light.” Certainly, Mohammed raised the religious consciousness and ethical awareness

    of his nation as well as that of many beyond

    its borders. Confucius gave the people of East

    Asia a higher ethical standard than existed

    throughout most of the world. Of course, there is much in other religions that

    we cannot accept or condone. In them, truths

    are frequently found side by side with

    superstition, sorcery, and error. Within many

    religions, one may find ethics, doctrines, or

    beliefs that are clearly of worth and that contain eternal truths. At the same time, one

    may find incorrect doctrines and possibly

    even practices inspired by the powers of

    darkness. The phrase “buyer beware” is

    certainly appropriate in the study of religions. Simply put, the world is better because good

    people of all races, nations, kindreds, and

    tongues have recognized truth and appropriate

    ways of living and have endeavored to share

    those truths. Those truths, in turn, have helped

    to prepare the way for the restored gospel. With regard, then, to the religions of the world

    —Christian or not—we as Latter-day Saints

    need to cultivate an attitude of friendship and

    goodwill toward all people of all religions.

    “Our message,” as the First Presidency stated,

    “is one of special love and concern for the eternal welfare of all men and women.” Re: God’s Love for

    #265816
    Anonymous
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    MARK 7

    Quote:

    15 There is nothing from without a man, that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out of him, those are they that defile the man. 16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.

    17 And when he was entered into the house from the people, his disciples asked him concerning the parable.

    18 And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; 19 Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?

    20 And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. 21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

    John Wesley’s commentary:

    “7:15 There is nothing entering into a man from without which can defile him – Though it is very true, a man may bring guilt, which is moral defilement, upon himself by eating what hurts his health, or by excess either in meat or drink yet even here the pollution arises from the wickedness of the heart, and is just proportionable to it. And this is all that our Lord asserts.”

    #265817
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    (I believe wuwei formatted SamBee’s quote and linked to it. I only remember because I printed it for myself, my kids at home and our Asia-bound missionary.)

    #265818
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    Ann wrote:

    (I believe wuwei formatted SamBee’s quote and linked to it. I only remember because I printed it for myself, my kids at home and our Asia-bound missionary.)

    Hi Ann:

    Link to that thread: http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3928

    Link to the Ensign article SamBee quoted: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a-question?lang=eng

    Link to the statement beautifully re-formatted by wuwei: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5kkhkA63ezDakl2emRoVmZhRU0/edit

    #265819
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    Joseph Smith:

    Quote:

    “I never thought it was right to call up a man and try him because he erred in doctrine, it looks too much like methodism and not like Latter day Saintism. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be kicked out of their church. I want the liberty of believing as I please, it feels so good not to be tramelled. ”

    I can’t find this from an “official” source. But I think it’s in “Words of Joseph Smith, p. 183-184 and also (partially) quoted in Rough Stone Rolling.

    Find it online here: http://bycommonconsent.com/2012/02/09/joseph-smith-handbooks-and-the-evolution-of-church-liturgy/

    #265820
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    mackay11 wrote:

    Ann wrote:

    (I believe wuwei formatted SamBee’s quote and linked to it. I only remember because I printed it for myself, my kids at home and our Asia-bound missionary.)

    Hi Ann:

    Link to that thread: http://forum.staylds.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3928

    Link to the Ensign article SamBee quoted: https://www.lds.org/ensign/1988/01/i-have-a-question?lang=eng

    Link to the statement beautifully re-formatted by wuwei: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5kkhkA63ezDakl2emRoVmZhRU0/edit

    Am gonna start publicising this. Might miniturize it and put it in quad next to blessing.

    Bad formatting due to phone posting.

    #265821
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    Quote:

    “I admire men and women who have developed the questing spirit, who are unafraid of new ideas as stepping stones to progress. We should, of course, respect the opinions of others, but we should also be unafraid to dissent – if we are informed. Thoughts and expressions compete in the marketplace of thought, and in that competition truth emerges triumphant. Only error fears freedom of expression. . . This free exchange of ideas is not to be deplored as long as men and women remain humble and teachable. Neither fear of consequence or any kind of coercion should ever be used to secure uniformity of thought in the church. People should express their problems and opinions and be unafraid to think without fear of ill consequences. . . . We must preserve the freedom of the mind in the church and resist all efforts to suppress it.”

    (Hugh B. Brown, The Abundant Life: The Memoirs of Hugh B. Brown, ed. Edwin B. Firmage (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1988), 137-39; Hugh B. Brown, “An Eternal Quest—Freedom of the Mind,” a speech delivered at Brigham Young University, 13 May 1969, in Speeches of the Year (Provo, UT): Brigham Young University Press, 1969); rpt. In Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought 17 (Spring 1984): 77-83

    I don’t own the book, so can’t verify. But my sister made reference to this recently and I thought I’d pass it along….

    #265822
    Anonymous
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    Joseph Smith, in History of the Church, 5:499

    Quote:

    If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way. Do you believe in Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship in their midst; and they will do it before the millennium can be ushered in and Christ takes possession of His kingdom.

    Here: (Jeffrey R Holland Ensign Article: http://www.lds.org/liahona/2012/08/standing-together-for-the-cause-of-christ?lang=eng)

    And partly quoted here: (Teachings of the Presidents: Joseph Smith: http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&locale=0&sourceId=1b28b00367c45110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&vgnextoid=da135f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD)

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