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    Hi All,

    Our ward now has a new bishopric. I truly respect the men who were called and feel that they will do an excellent job serving.

    For those of you who know my story, I am currently disfellowshipped and have had struggles understanding that decision, as I felt it was severe. With that said, I think I’ve made some progress reconciling my situation: I believe the former Bishopric made the decision they felt inspired to issue, I feel they served the best they knew how, and I’ve even thanked them for striving to follow the spirit amidst challenging circumstances.

    Looking forward, a new bishopric will obviously know my situation now, and will eventually convene a council to potentially reinstate me. I’ve heard advice from others who have walked my path to just do everything that is asked of you, act humble and repentant, don’t ruffle any feathers, and then when I’m reinstated, go forward on your own terms, whether that’s staying active or taking off. While I can see exactly why this advice was given to me, it just feels disingenuous and fake. In the same vein, though, I’ve read on here many times that I should not tell people, especially leaders, of my faith crisis.

    Now, of course I want to repent of what I’ve done wrong, and am working to do that. I owe that to my wonderful wife and family. What I’m struggling with now, though, is this:

    1. What if I never come to agree with the decision to disfellowship me? If I’ve repented, stopped the behavior which got me disfellowshipped, and worked to strengthen myself and my family, shouldn’t that be enough? Or, is disagreeing going against God’s will (since he supposedly inspired the bishopric with that decision) and until I get in line with that, I may never be reinstated?

    2. What do I tell my new bishop? I’m sure the old bishop has told him my situation, but, truth be told, that is from the old bishop’s perspective. Part of me wants to state my case to the new bishop (a sort of appeal) in hopes they’d move up the a potential reinstatement council date, and part of me thinks I should just bide my time quietly and the time will come when it will be right.

    Some good things that have come from my being disfellowshipped: I think I’m starting to not care as much what people think (a big hang-up for me), although I have a long way to go; I see things from such a new perspective and better understand others who are struggling; I’ve been forced to accept our leaders are human and still believe the gospel is still true – something I had always preached but never had to experience for myself until now; and I now think my faith is being challenged more than ever before and I’m starting to think for myself a little more.

    Saw the Life of Pi movie over the weekend – one line stuck out (paraphrasing), that the dad said, “We need our faith challenged to know how strong it is” or something like that. I took comfort in that statement.

    Thanks for listening.

    #267536
    Anonymous
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    All we can do here is give general advice about general situations, based on our own experiences and perspectives. Please don’t ever think that we are telling anyone what to do. We only are offering suggestions, and, often, our suggestions aren’t unanimous.

    I say that only to emphasize that it’s fine to tell some leaders about a crisis of faith – and even details with some leaders. Our general advice is more to be cautious and only share details when you are sure the person will be supportive, whether or not they understand. It’s not, “Nod and go along with everything, even if you have to be disingenuous in the process,” and it’s never, “Lie just to get through it.” It’ more, “Go with how you feel is best in the moment / Follow you heart.”

    There is no problem “making your case” with a new Bishop, as long as he will understand your heart. If it comes out sounding like unrepentant blaming of the former Bishop, that could cause issues; if it comes across as nothing more than a sincere desire to return to full standing ASAP, it will be appreciated. I can’t make that call for you, and neither can anyone else. It has to be whatever you feel is right for you.

    Having said all of that, I’m glad to hear that you like your new bishopric and that you are optimistic about things moving forward. That always is a good thing.

    #267537
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    Old-Timer wrote:

    There is no problem “making your case” with a new Bishop, as long as he will understand your heart. If it comes out sounding like unrepentant blaming of the former Bishop, that could cause issues; if it comes across as nothing more than a sincere desire to return to full standing ASAP, it will be appreciated. I can’t make that call for you, and neither can anyone else. It has to be whatever you feel is right for you.

    Bingo!!! I am pessimistic of how any conversation other than – “it was completely my fault. I messed up and deserved my punishment. I am anxious to return to full fellowship and will do whatever it takes.” – will be received. Can you simultaneously be repentant and at the same time feel that the punishment was too harsh, unfair, unwarranted, or unhelpful? I’m not sure that the new bishop will be able to separate the two…and if you come off as unrepentant you may end up delaying the reinstatement council date.

    yosemitesam wrote:

    While I can see exactly why this advice was given to me, it just feels disingenuous and fake.

    I would say that I have a higher tolerance for being “disingenuous and fake.” Of course that’s not the way I interpret my actions, but I can see how some others would view it that way. For me it is a combination of 1) Aiming for the desired results and then modifying my behavior to increase the chance of achieving said results (Stephen Covey calls this “Begin with the end in mind” as one of his 7 habits) and 2) Knowing my audience. (Even the gospels are different because of the different intended audiences). Am I living a lie or am I building a bridge between what is inside my head and the community that surrounds me, it all depends on the perspective.

    If your personality is direct and “honest to a fault,” then that just might not work for you. That happens. What works for some will almost certainly not work for everyone. :D

    My heart is with you no matter what you decide.

    #267538
    Anonymous
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    Roy,

    I can totally relate with what you are going through, having gone through a similar situation myself. I was disfellowshipped a few years ago. The period of disfellowshipment was one year. I have to say that it was the worst experience I have had in the church, as I have never felt more alienated, isolated, and alone (I still experience repercussions from it). I’ve heard stories of others who have felt an outpouring of love, welcoming, etc. with their “discipline” process…unfortunately, I did not have that experience. As a result, I felt VERY motivated to just do/say whatever needed to be said/done, just to get done with it (and be reinstated). It wasn’t that I was insincere or that I didn’t take the repentance process very seriously, because I did. But, now looking back…I would do things differently. I had been in “faith crisis” for several years when I was disfellowshipped. But, I never really “dealt” with those issues….just kind of glossed over them so that I could “make restitution” to the people that I hurt and “make everything OK” again. In the end, I really was not ready to be “reinstated”, and I wish now that I had dealt with things more courageously. Ignoring/avoiding the issues that played such a powerful part in getting me “there” was a mistake. I guess I would just say this: As unpleasant as it can be to be disfellowshipped, I would think really hard about how/when you go about the reinstatement process. I do think it is really important to be honest and genuine; not to just “jump through the hoops”. I think this will actually help you to “go forward on your own terms”. What if you never come to agree with the decision they made to disfellowship you? I’m not sure about that one….I just know that I would work hard to come to a “place” where you can be open about your real feelings, try to take “counsel”, but ultimately you need to be reinstated when you are ready — whatever that means. If that means that “they” will not allow the reinstatement to happen, then I guess I would reevaluate my “course” at that time. The process is definitely a humbling (sometimes humiliating) experience. I wish you only the best, moving forward.

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