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March 27, 2013 at 7:29 pm #207521
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GuestYes, here is another thread about polygamy, but I think this aspect has not been addressed much, if at all. First, I am notsaying polygamy is good, bad, or ugly. I am saying that it probably was, and is, more common than most people realize. How might that change how Mormon polygamy is viewed?Here is how the
describes the marital composition of 1231 societies from 1960 to 1980:Ethnographic Atlas Codebook-Monogamous: 186
-Occasional polygyny: 453
-More frequent polygyny: 588
-Polyandrous: 4
If I am reading that correctly, that means
nearly 85% of the societies surveyed have practiced at least some polygyny. However, the practice is usually rare in those societies. states that “Many of the Old Testament Prophets and Patriarchs had multiple wives, including Lamech, Abraham, Jacob, Esau, Gideon, Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, Elkanah, Ashur, Abijah and Jehoiada. Some interpretations also suggest Moses had a second wife in Tharbis.”This some more information from Wikipedia (I’m not a scholar!):Here’s-The Chinese culture of Confucianism and thus the practice of polygamy spread from China to Japan and areas that are now Vietnam. Before their modernizations, East Asian countries permitted similar practices of polygamy.
-In Judaism, multiple marriage was considered a realistic alternative in the case of famine, widowhood, or female infertility like in the practice of levirate marriage, wherein a man was required to marry and support his deceased brother’s widow.
-The pre-Abrahamic Celtic pagans were known to practice polygamy, although the Celtic peoples wavered between it, monogamy and polyandry depending on the time period and area.
-Until 2010 polygyny was legally recognized in Thailand. In Burma, polygyny was also frequent. In Sri Lanka, polyandry was practiced (though not widespread) till recent times.
-Polyandry in Tibet was common traditionally, as was polygyny, and Tibet is home to the largest and most flourishing polyandrous community in the world today.
-Polygamy existed all over Africa as an aspect of culture or/and religion. Plural marriages have been more common than not in the history of Africa.
-Prior to 1955, polygamy was permitted for Indian Hindus.
-In Islam, polygyny is allowed, with the specific limitation that a man can have up to four wives at any one time. Prophet Muhammad had eleven wives in his lifetime, and had 9 wives when he died.
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states that the United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand recognize polygamous unions performed in other countries that permit them.ThisNotably missing are references to the Americans beside Mormons and weird stuff in Canada. I suppose Catholicism influenced Central and South America to stick to monogamy.
March 28, 2013 at 6:15 am #267632Anonymous
GuestInteresting summary. It’s an interesting quirk that an American law stopped polygamy in USA, but the church applied that policy to all global members regardless of legal status.
I wonder what the church would do (or have done) in the (highly unlikely) situation that a legal polygamist wanted to join the church.
Mind boggles.
March 28, 2013 at 6:56 am #267633Anonymous
GuestFor me, this doesn’t change anything. Lots of things that have been legal and prevalent in other times and places are unacceptable to me here and now. I won’t drag it out by saying more…. Hasn’t the church already had to deal with legal polygamous converts in other countries? I remember an older couple in our stake talking about their mission to Africa (country escapes me), and what a mess it was trying to sort out relationships/status/responsibilities when a man with several wives and families wanted to join the church.
March 28, 2013 at 4:27 pm #267634Anonymous
Guestmackay11 wrote:Interesting summary.
It’s an interesting quirk that an American law stopped polygamy in USA, but the church applied that policy to all global members regardless of legal status.
I wonder what the church would do (or have done) in the (highly unlikely) situation that a legal polygamist wanted to join the church.
Mind boggles.
My understanding is that if a man with more than one legal spouse (from a country that allows that sort of thing) wants to join the RLDS (now Community of Christ that historically reviled and denounced polygamy) then they may join under the stipulation that they do not take on any additional wives to the ones that this man may already have.
The irony is that I understand that this person would not be permitted to join the LDS church (that once proclaimed polygamy as an eternal principle).
March 28, 2013 at 10:22 pm #267635Anonymous
GuestAnn wrote:For me, this doesn’t change anything. Lots of things that have been legal and prevalent in other times and places are unacceptable to me here and now. I won’t drag it out by saying more….
This is a good point and I agree. The prevalence of something doesn’t necessarily make it right.I just hope fewer people will think Mormons are anomalous weirdos.
March 29, 2013 at 3:53 am #267636Anonymous
GuestRoy, that is my understanding as well. I went to the Brian Hales book signing a few weeks ago, and someone else said that 85% of ethnic groups practice polygamy. But I’d be curious what percent of the world’s population practice polygamy. My guess is that it is a whole lot less.
March 29, 2013 at 4:18 am #267637Anonymous
GuestYes, it is a lot less. From the same Wikipedia page:
Quote:… even within societies which allow polygyny, the actual practice of polygyny occurs relatively rarely. There are exceptions: in Senegal, for example, nearly 47 percent of marriages are multiple.
March 29, 2013 at 4:31 am #267638Anonymous
GuestAs I’ve said in other threads, I don’t like polygamy – and I loathe the way polygamy works in many situations. I understand abhorrence for polygamy in our current culture and time, but I also think it’s interesting to see attacks on it from our own history from people who think it’s disgusting that anyone over 100 years ago could even entertain the idea. Not only is there the historical reality of it being so widespread, but many of those same people don’t fuss nearly as much about serial adultery or multiple sexual relationships outside of marriage. I know people personally who despise polygamy and think of it as a great evil who are far less vocal or bothered by someone using willing women for nothing but sex – no commitment, no emotional attachment, just a body to use momentarily and forget. It also doesn’t escape me that such complete disregard for sex involving commitment is much more prevalent in our own society than polygamy is or ever has been – and yet polygamy (even when every person is a consenting adult) is called a great evil while serial, non-committed sex is accepted, at worst, as a moral failing. Polygamy is labeled a terrible threat, while rampant non-committed sex is almost ignored in similar discussions –
even when the numeric and structural elements of such sex are polygamous in nature. (How’s that for careful phrasing? Impressed? I am, he says humbly. )
I read non-Mormon articles a lot, and I work at a college. Give me a choice between polygamy among consenting adults and what I know of the sexual practices of many college students, and I’ll take that type of polygamy every day – and twice on Sunday.
March 29, 2013 at 5:13 am #267639Anonymous
GuestI agree with what you are saying Ray…my only stipulation would be that there are NO religious overtones in the polygamous relationships. As I have said before if you tie polygamy to women’s “salvation” or only way to get into heaven then the men are using manipulation and threats to get women to comply period! Or if the polygamy is practiced in a culture that women are mere property or does not allow women to voice their thoughts then polygamy is also wrong. Now if some of your non religious college kids want to marry and start some sort of poly whatever then it’s a level playing field and happy partners.
March 29, 2013 at 8:55 pm #267640Anonymous
GuestI respect and agree with that, Dax. The angel with the drawn sword is the part of our own history that I reject the most forcefully. March 30, 2013 at 5:00 am #267641Anonymous
GuestYeah, it’s common, but so is bride burning, child prostitution, female infanticide (which may be the highest contributor to India’s culture of violence toward women as recently theorized in the Atlantic). I also read an article recently in Time (IIRC) that showed the percentage of countries where women feel it’s OK for their husband to beat them, and the countries with the highest percentages are also in most cases ones with polygamy. I certainly don’t think it’s any kind of ideal, although I hasten to add that the church, even the FLDS are not guilty of the excesses some of these polygamous societies have. March 30, 2013 at 12:45 pm #267642Anonymous
GuestOld-Timer wrote:It also doesn’t escape me that such complete disregard for sex involving commitment is much more prevalent in our own society than polygamy is or ever has been – and yet polygamy (even when every person is a consenting adult) is called a great evil while serial, non-committed sex is accepted, at worst, as a moral failing. Polygamy is labeled a terrible threat, while rampant non-committed sex is almost ignored in similar discussions –
even when the numeric and structural elements of such sex are polygamous in nature. (How’s that for careful phrasing? Impressed? I am, he says humbly. )
I read non-Mormon articles a lot, and I work at a college. Give me a choice between polygamy among consenting adults and what I know of the sexual practices of many college students, and I’ll take that type of polygamy every day – and twice on Sunday.

I think that is just crazy to say polygamy is some how better than sex between consenting adults. Polygamy in society so often carries with it a sense of entitlement on the part of the man. Warren Jeffs anyone. If you take religion out of the equation I suspect there are few women that would consent to polygamy but many that would concent to sex. Sex between humans has been evolving for 150,000 years. It is a natural biological event. The whole marriage thing is a very recent development in human history. Polygamy is just men trying to mesh an evolutionary mechanism with their own personal desires. Usually to the detriment of women. That said I am OK with truly consenting adults say past the age of 25 giving a polygamy a try if it floats their boat, as long as there is no religious component. But that is not the history of the practice. It is old men abusing young women.
March 30, 2013 at 4:12 pm #267643Anonymous
GuestI’ve never heard of bride burning. Prostitution and infanticide have nothing to do with polygamy. While the prevalence of something does not necessarily make it right, people being repulsed by something does not mean it could not be a commandment from God. March 30, 2013 at 5:04 pm #267644Anonymous
GuestQuote:I think that is just crazy to say polygamy is some how better than sex between consenting adults.
I didn’t say it was, as a category. Re-read my comment more carefully. The polygamy I said I prefer is that which is between committed, consenting adults – compared to indiscriminate, one night stand, serial bed-hopping. March 31, 2013 at 3:13 pm #267645Anonymous
GuestShawn wrote:-The Chinese culture of Confucianism and thus the practice of polygamy spread from China to Japan and areas that are now Vietnam. Before their modernizations, East Asian countries permitted similar practices of polygamy.
Confucius says nothing about polygamy one way or another, so this piece of replicated content is bogus.From the Han, when Confucianism became the state ruling and ethical norm, monogamy was enshrined in law. This didn’t mean one couldn’t have concubines, but there was only one official wife.
Confucius was not so concerned with male heir succession, which justified concubinage, as he was that whatever the family structure, there was courtesy and respect throughout.
Mistreatment of women, particularly within a marriage structure, would have been wrong in a Confucian context. Notwithstanding, there is a lot of Christian propaganda against chinese cultural Confucianism, and this propaganda is the source of the quote you made from wikipedia about confucianism being the source of polygyny in Asia.
What we have throughout the world, with respect to polygyny, is a tendency for male dominance hierarchies in humans. Chinese rulers were bent on pushing their dynasties…and polygyny was a way to promote that. During the Tokugawa shogunate, Chinese Confucianism did indeed come to dominate Japanese culture, but the practice of polygyny was not inherently part of the import.
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