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    The Mystical Core of Organized Religion

    David Steindl-Rast

    http://csp.org/experience/docs/steindl-mystical.html

    Found this article through Matt’s intro and wanted a more full exploration of it.

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    The question we need to tackle is this: How does one get from mystic experience to an established religion? My one-word answer is: inevitably. What makes the process inevitable is that we do with our mystical experience what we do with every experience, that is, we try to understand it; we opt for or against it; we express our feelings with regard to it. Do this with your mystical experience and you have all the makings of a religion….

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    As long as all goes well with a religion, then doctrine, ethics, and ritual work like an irrigation system, bringing ever fresh water from the source of mysticism into daily life. Religions differ from each other, as irrigation systems do. There are objective differences: some systems are simply more efficient. But subjective preferences are also important. You tend to like the system you are used to; your familiarity with it makes it more effective for you, no matter what other models may be on the market. Time has an influence on the system: the pipes tend to get rusty and start to leak, or they get clogged up. The flow from the source slows down to a trickle.

    Fortunately, I have not yet come across a religion where the system didn’t work at all. Unfortunately, however, deterioration begins on the day the system is installed…..

    Ok, so this is just the lifecycle.

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    Those who are closest to the life that created the structures will have the greatest respect for them; they will also be the first ones, however, to demand that structures that no longer support but encumber life must be changed. Those closest to the mystical core of religion will often be uncomfortable agitators within the system. How genuine they are will show itself by their compassionate understanding for those whom they must oppose; after all, mystics come from a realm where “we” and “they” are one….

    This might help explain many things about JS. He started the religion but kept changing it despite the complaints and discomfort of those that stood by him in the beginning. This too could apply to Jesus…

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    Sad as it is, religion left to itself turns irreligious. Once, in Hawaii, after I had been walking on still-hot volcanic rock, another image for this process occurred to me; the image not of water but of fire. The beginnings of the great religions were like the eruptions of a volcano. There was fire, there was heat, there was light: the light of mystical insight freshly spelled out in a new teaching; the best of hearts aglow with commitment to a sharing community; and celebration, as fiery as new wine. The light of doctrine, the glow of ethical commitment, and the fire of ritual celebration were expressions that gushed forth red hot from the depths of mystical consciousness. But, as that stream of lava flowed down the sides of the mountain, it began to cool off. The farther it got from its origins, the less it looked like fire; it turned into rock. Dogmatism, moralism, ritualism: all are layers of ash deposits and volcanic rock that separate us from the fiery magma deep down below.

    But there are fissures and clefts in the igneous rock of the old lava flows; there are hot springs, fumaroles, and geysers; there are even occasional earthquakes and minor eruptions. These represent the great men and women who reformed and renewed religious tradition from within. In one way or another, this is our task, too. Every religion has a mystical core. The challenge is to find access to it and to live in its power. In this sense, every generation of believers is challenged anew to make its religion truly religious.….

    Perhaps all the recent changes in our own religion are signs of the inner molten core stirring. Perhaps activism has a place there in loosening the old dead rock. Perhaps some leaders are more comfortable channeling this inner fire and others see it as their duty to preserve the structures unchanged for future generations. Where do I fit in?

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    I love the bits that you pulled out, and every time I read about the eruption I think about the first vision. Did it really happen? I don’t know, but something significant happened in that boy’s life. I believe that his intentions in organizing our church were good. I believe the LDS church is good and does good, but the analogy of the old dead rock accumulating just fits us so perfectly IMO. I can’t help but feel like so much of it stems from the notion of authority and keys. There are so few who actually hold the authority to establish and change official doctrine, and ironically those tend to be the people who have proven they will conform to the status quo.

    I found the back story of the church’s stance on evolution to be fascinating. http://www.mormonfortress.com/evolution.pdf (Thanks for sharing alltruth.) Why do some of us tend to be so quick to take official stances or view new insight as threatening if it doesn’t jive perfectly with what we thought we knew? I think part of it is that we claim to be the only true and LIVING church on the earth today, implying that we have ongoing modern revelation. The problem is that I think modern revelation is widely misunderstood in the church. I think people see it as “God speaks to our church leaders, and what they tell us is truth.” I personally view our church leaders more as holy men, people who have devoted their lives to service, love, and being open to the influences of goodness and truth (God, if you will).

    When it comes to loosening the old dead rock, I think LDS culture has been far too afraid of doubt. We already flip-flopped on human rights (as did most of humanity), and polygamy (kind of). If we loosen our grip on more cold hard doctrine, will people begin to doubt too much or think for themselves too much? From Elder Uchtdorf himself (probably my favorite apostle, and not only because he sounds like the Governator)

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    Fear not; ask questions. Be curious, but doubt not!

    from “The Reflection in the Water” (Church Educational System fireside for young adults, Nov. 1, 2009)


    That last “doubt not!” just doesn’t sit well with me. Being skeptical doesn’t take away my agency. It frees me to seek the truth. It doesn’t have to be negative.

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    Ok, I feel it’s only fair to include the rest of the quote from Elder Uchtdorf. It’s actually quite good. ;)

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    Always hold fast to faith and to the light you have already received. Because we see imperfectly in mortality, not everything is going to make sense right now. … It’s true that ‘faith is not … a perfect knowledge’ (Alma 32:21), but as you exercise your faith, applying gospel principles every day under any circumstances, you will taste the sweet fruits of the gospel, and by this fruit you will know of its truth (see Matthew 7:16–20; John 7:17; Alma 32:41–43).”

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    Life_Journey_of_Matt wrote:

    I found the back story of the church’s stance on evolution to be fascinating. http://www.mormonfortress.com/evolution.pdf (Thanks for sharing alltruth.) Why do some of us tend to be so quick to take official stances or view new insight as threatening if it doesn’t jive perfectly with what we thought we knew?

    Great article! Reminds me that I still need to read David O. Mckay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism.

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